Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez Weighs 167 at The Seven Day Mark

[BesWorldChamp]

A Pac fan gave me a red k for the same paragraph when in actuality. Everything in the paragraph is on point. That's what makes me sick and tired of posting on here sometimes. ESPECIALLY when you have fans that are so emotional over fighters especially "Pac fans". Manny Pacquiao is not this super fighter that you guys make him out to be because if he was. For one he would be fighting champs and contenders at their natural weight AND two, homie would not have to beat up guys that have already been beat up prior to him facing them. Arum did his job and made a great hype in boxing but it is still one man he has to beat to completely dominate the sport and he ain't doing that because he is scared of needles and giving his own blood? What great champion has ever done that? NEVER in history has any top fighter assed out like that to a challenge. That's not hate but rather facts.

Manny Pacquiao never has, and never will "ass out to a challenge".

[GRUSTLER]

First bold print: I think Manny Paquiao is already a legend, as he has accomplished things that very few in boxing history have matched. Plus, his resume is quite incredible. I can't see how you deny this.

I just don't think Manny Pacquiao is a super fighter. Didn't say anything else.

[GRUSTLER]

Manny Pacquiao never has, and never will "ass out to a challenge".

Oh really?...............

"Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny,"Roach says. "I told him no both times, and both times for the same two reasons: First, there isn't enough money there, and second, you're too good a fighter.

I'm not even trying to go here again but just wanted to reply to your post.

[BesWorldChamp]

I just don't think Manny Pacquiao is a super fighter. Didn't say anything else.

I'm not even trying to go here again but just wanted to reply to your post.[/QUOTE]

I don't know what your definition of a "super fighter" is. If you tell me, I'd be able to respond to you.

Secondly, I believe that was quoted from Shane Mosley. I'm not so sure that Freddie actually said that. I would imagine that, if he did say something, Freddie said something along the lines of Shane being too big of a fighter for Manny. This was after Shane destroyed Margs in January of '09, and Shane wasted the entire year trying to get a big fight now that his name was back in the hat of top fighters in boxing. Shane is a big welterweight, as he's fought at junior middle more than a few times. At the time, Manny had only just beat De La Hoya. (Mind you, Manny weighed 142 for that fight) Freddie and Team Pacquiao didn't know where Manny would peak as he climbed the weight divisions. They only took the Oscar fight because Freddie was convinced that De La Hoya couldn't pull the trigger anymore, and Oscar was still the top money fighter in the world. Manny, coming in at 142, fighting a great fighter like Shane, who has fought as high as 154, didn't seem fair. Am I right?

[Drunk Punch]

I don't know how Martinez gets to 154 safely. How did he manage it for so long?

[GRUSTLER]

I'm not even trying to go here again but just wanted to reply to your post.

I don't know what your definition of a "super fighter" is. If you tell me, I'd be able to respond to you.

Secondly, I believe that was quoted from Shane Mosley. I'm not so sure that Freddie actually said that. I would imagine that, if he did say something, Freddie said something along the lines of Shane being too big of a fighter for Manny. This was after Shane destroyed Margs in January of '09, and Shane wasted the entire year trying to get a big fight now that his name was back in the hat of top fighters in boxing. Shane is a big welterweight, as he's fought at junior middle more than a few times. At the time, Manny had only just beat De La Hoya. (Mind you, Manny weighed 142 for that fight) Freddie and Team Pacquiao didn't know where Manny would peak as he climbed the weight divisions. They only took the Oscar fight because Freddie was convinced that De La Hoya couldn't pull the trigger anymore, and Oscar was still the top money fighter in the world. Manny, coming in at 142, fighting a great fighter like Shane, who has fought as high as 154, didn't seem fair. Am I right?

It is quoted from Freddie Roach and that's why it says "Roach Says" and he says "Shane came to the gym twice" with quotation marks and all. That is a poor excuse because Pac fought Cotto, who beat Shane before. Pac wanted Cotto to go down to 145 and Mosley was willing to go down as well but Roach still turned the fight down. How can you say "This is probably what he meant"? When I posted exactly what he said? I saw the video when Roach said it. I tell you what made the difference between Cotto/Shane. Cotto is with Top Rank and struggled in his last fight (Clottey) while Shane is with Golden Boy and was dominate in his last fight (Margarito). What I mean by "Super Fighter" is that Pac is not as great as he is promoted. I think he is a very good fighter but just not cosigning him as the best. Totally up to me to feel that way.

[BesWorldChamp]

[QUOTE=GRUSTLER;10197360]It is quoted from Freddie Roach and that's why it says "Roach Says" and he says "Shane came to the gym twice" with quotation marks and all. That is a poor excuse because Pac fought Cotto, who beat Shane before. Pac wanted Cotto to go down to 145 and Mosley was willing to go down as well but Roach still turned the fight down. How can you say "This is probably what he meant"? When I posted exactly what he said? I saw the video when Roach said it. I tell you what made the difference between Cotto/Shane. Cotto is with Top Rank and struggled in his last fight (Clottey) while Shane is with Golden Boy and was dominate in his last fight (Margarito). What I mean by "Super Fighter" is that Pac is not as great as he is promoted. I think he is a very good fighter but just not cosigning him as the best. Totally up to me to feel that way.[/QUOTE]

First bold print: Show me the source. I don't care what you said, I want to see it for myself. Pac fought Cotto in November of '09. I believe Shane was asking for the Pac fight right after he demolished Margs, which was Feb and March of '09. This was before we would come to find out that Manny destroyed Hatton. Thus, it wasn't known at the time (Feb/Mar of '09) that Manny would carry the weight so well. Many thought that Ricky would be competitive with Manny at 140.

Second bold print: I cosign him as the best. I can feel that way also.

[freedom213]

That is your opinion but no way. Pac felt Margarito's punches and didn't want none of the higher weights. Martinez would not stand there and let Pac whoop on him. Pac hasn't faced anyone with counter punching ability in a long time and he wasn't dominate at all. Pac also gets hit way too much for him to get hit with a big punch and as we witnessed from Kermit Cintron and Paul Williams that Martinez does have one punch KO power. Cintron just got a gift. Martinez also got off his ass from a KD and put it on Kelly Pavlik. In my opinion, can't see Pac winning AT ALL. Fight won't happen so don't matter what we think or say.

Really? You cant see Pac winning at all? Come on dude you are speculating about a fantasy fight taking place at say 154 pounds which is a weight that that Sergio will probably never see again and you think Manny Pac has zero chance? I think if the fight were to actually occur at that weight that both Pac and Mayweather would whip Martinez. Martinez is fast and obviously can punch but the hand speed difference that Pac and Floyd would possess over him would be a major difference than what he is used to. But He might be able to win either of those fights.

[GRUSTLER]

]QUOTE]

First bold print: Show me the source. I don't care what you said, I want to see it for myself. Pac fought Cotto in November of '09. I believe Shane was asking for the Pac fight right after he demolished Margs, which was Feb and March of '09. This was before we would come to find out that Manny destroyed Hatton. Thus, it wasn't known at the time (Feb/Mar of '09) that Manny would carry the weight so well. Many thought that Ricky would be competitive with Manny at 140.

Second bold print: I cosign him as the best. I can feel that way also.

I'll give you a couple of links showing how Pac didn't want to fight Mosley....

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f53/fr...quiao-1143464/

http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...t-get-pacquiao

http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...s-bid-pacquiao

http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...pacquiao-dream

Why would I make this stuff up?

[freedom213]

Manny Pacquiao never has, and never will "ass out to a challenge".

Not necessarily true, he has made catch weight stipulations in multiple fights and doesn't exactly seem too eager to step back into the ring with Marquez, truly the only guy to give him a challenge yet, and regardless of what spin anyone puts on it he could have simply said OK to the drug testing demands of Floyd and we likely would have had a true P4p champ at the moment. He has definitely challenged himself beyond what many of the great fighters of today's era seem to be comfortable with but he has also enhanced his legacy with a little good ol fashioned cherry picking and contractual clause advantages. Still he is a legendary fighter of the same cut as Duran and SRL.