Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez Weighs 167 at The Seven Day Mark

[BesWorldChamp]

Roach said in the video that Shane was better than Oscar and that's why Shane couldn't get Pac at 147. How many ways must Roach say it? Oscar is a bigger man than Mosley. How can weight not be a factor for Oscar but was for Shane regarding getting a fight with Pac? How come Roach wanted Shane at a 142 catchweight and Cotto at 145? Ever ask yourself these questions? I'm done with this debate because it's a done deal.

You are ignoring what I'm telling you. You won't even concede that you were wrong when it is clear that you are. This is the first source that you've given to support what you said earlier:

http://insidefights.com/2010/02/04/f...-hard-to-hate/

It is clear that this author was quoting the video you supplied earlier. Did Roach actually say that? Nope. This is poor journalism. He did exactly what you did. He wrote what he "remembered". The article was written in Feb of 2010. That was many months after Freddie had "said that". Now YOU are saying that I never even knew that it was said. Guess what, brother? I'm a big Shane Mosley fan. Do you see my signature? Have you thought about that? I remember SHANE MOSLEY SAYING THAT. I don't even remember hearing that from Freddie's mouth. Ask yourself "Would Freddie Roach ever concede that another fighter is better than his own"? When has Freddie ever done that? Did you ever ask yourself that?

The fact of the matter is that you were quoting a video, and what you quoted WAS NOT mentioned in the video. No dead horse is being beaten here, because you never killed the horse to begin with. You took what Freddie said, and you interpreted it for you own sake... and that's what you wrote in quotations. Next time, watch the video and write the quote down verbatim.

[GRUSTLER]

You are ignoring what I'm telling you. You won't even concede that you were wrong when it is clear that you are. This is the first source that you've given to support what you said earlier:

http://insidefights.com/2010/02/04/f...-hard-to-hate/

It is clear that this author was quoting the video you supplied earlier. Did Roach actually say that? Nope. This is poor journalism. He did exactly what you did. He wrote what he "remembered". The article was written in Feb of 2010. That was many months after Freddie had "said that". Now YOU are saying that I never even knew that it was said. Guess what, brother? I'm a big Shane Mosley fan. Do you see my signature? Have you thought about that? I remember SHANE MOSLEY SAYING THAT. I don't even remember hearing that from Freddie's mouth. Ask yourself "Would Freddie Roach ever concede that another fighter is better than his own"? When has Freddie ever done that? Did you ever ask yourself that?

The fact of the matter is that you were quoting a video, and what you quoted WAS NOT mentioned in the video. No dead horse is being beaten here, because you never killed the horse to begin with. You took what Freddie said, and you interpreted it for you own sake... and that's what you wrote in quotations. Next time, watch the video and write the quote down verbatim.

Yo man, You come off as a decent guy in some ways, so I'm a be the bigger man. You are wrong because you asked me to prove to you what Roach said and I did. I showed you that quote is floating around on numerous websites only means that it has been said because it is in quotation marks. I think that you just don't want to accept that Manny wasn't ready to fight Shane after Margarito. No matter what you try to pull to make me seem wrong, you can't do it because fact of the matter is that Roach did say it. You are telling me that Roach didn't say it but how do you know that he didn't? You talking about me proving to you that he said it but you can't prove to me that he didn't. It says "ROACH SAYS" if Mosley said it then it would say "MOSELY says" How can you try to make me seem wrong when you can't even provide the proof needed to do so? Why don't you show me that Shane said it instead? You are a funny dude. How can you tell me that it was never said by Roach but it is right there? Answer me another question. Why would Shane Mosley (If he did say it) make it seem like Roach said it? Does Shane have a history of putting words in someone else's mouth? Roach and Manny didn't want to fight Shane plain and simple. For the record, Arum did say that Shane wasn't much money compared to a Cotto fight as well. This reminds me of when you tried to say what Roach did mean to say. In actuality, you were the one trying to switch up what someone said and meant. Don't try to make me seem like I'm making this up because unlike you. I know what is going on in boxing and not just accusing people of making things up without finding out myself. YOU didn't even know that the video existed? Who do you think people would believe? You were ASS/U/ME'n and I was providing proof. Fall back homie.

[GRUSTLER]

It is clear that this author was quoting the video you supplied earlier. Did Roach actually say that? Nope. This is poor journalism. He did exactly what you did. He wrote what he "remembered". The article was written in Feb of 2010. That was many months after Freddie had "said that". Now YOU are saying that I never even knew that it was said. Guess what, brother? I'm a big Shane Mosley fan. Do you see my signature? Have you thought about that? I remember SHANE MOSLEY SAYING THAT. I don't even remember hearing that from Freddie's mouth. Ask yourself "Would Freddie Roach ever concede that another fighter is better than his own"? When has Freddie ever done that? Did you ever ask yourself that?

Roach said that Shane was better than Oscar and he didn't want to give Shane an advantage by fighting him at 147. Why can't you comprehend that as being the same meaning? Pac wasn't ready to fight Shane. What's wrong with you? Meaning he was BETTER than Pac. You know what though. Why can't you believe that Roach said it, if he already hinted towards it in the video? You don't think it is possible that he was quoted saying that in another interview? They have the same elements in it about Shane. I'm going to find that article where it originated from and get you the link because you are too ridiculously in denial and it is weak.

[CarlosG815]

And this mofo want a shot at Pacquiao.

His manager has already said that he does not want Pacquiao and that fight will never happen because Sergio is too big and would knock him out. See the post fight interview from Williams/Martinez 2.

[BesWorldChamp]

Roach said that Shane was better than Oscar and he didn't want to give Shane an advantage by fighting him at 147. Why can't you comprehend that as being the same meaning? Pac wasn't ready to fight Shane. What's wrong with you? Meaning he was BETTER than Pac. You know what though. Why can't you believe that Roach said it, if he already hinted towards it in the video? You don't think it is possible that he was quoted saying that in another interview? They have the same elements in it about Shane. I'm going to find that article where it originated from and get you the link because you are too ridiculously in denial and it is weak.

First you say that he said it, now you are saying that he hinted at it. Fall back with that.

[BesWorldChamp]

Yo man, You come off as a decent guy in some ways, so I'm a be the bigger man. You are wrong because you asked me to prove to you what Roach said and I did. I showed you that quote is floating around on numerous websites only means that it has been said because it is in quotation marks. I think that you just don't want to accept that Manny wasn't ready to fight Shane after Margarito. No matter what you try to pull to make me seem wrong, you can't do it because fact of the matter is that Roach did say it. You are telling me that Roach didn't say it but how do you know that he didn't? You talking about me proving to you that he said it but you can't prove to me that he didn't. It says "ROACH SAYS" if Mosley said it then it would say "MOSELY says" How can you try to make me seem wrong when you can't even provide the proof needed to do so? Why don't you show me that Shane said it instead? You are a funny dude. How can you tell me that it was never said by Roach but it is right there? Answer me another question. Why would Shane Mosley (If he did say it) make it seem like Roach said it? Does Shane have a history of putting words in someone else's mouth? Roach and Manny didn't want to fight Shane plain and simple. For the record, Arum did say that Shane wasn't much money compared to a Cotto fight as well. This reminds me of when you tried to say what Roach did mean to say. In actuality, you were the one trying to switch up what someone said and meant. Don't try to make me seem like I'm making this up because unlike you. I know what is going on in boxing and not just accusing people of making things up without finding out myself. YOU didn't even know that the video existed? Who do you think people would believe? You were ASS/U/ME'n and I was providing proof. Fall back homie.

You've provided no proof. You are saying that he said something in one interview, and IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE INTERVIEW. Now you are saying he was hinting at it. Fall back!

[BesWorldChamp]

Yo man, You come off as a decent guy in some ways, so I'm a be the bigger man. You are wrong because you asked me to prove to you what Roach said and I did. I showed you that quote is floating around on numerous websites only means that it has been said because it is in quotation marks. I think that you just don't want to accept that Manny wasn't ready to fight Shane after Margarito. No matter what you try to pull to make me seem wrong, you can't do it because fact of the matter is that Roach did say it. You are telling me that Roach didn't say it but how do you know that he didn't? You talking about me proving to you that he said it but you can't prove to me that he didn't. It says "ROACH SAYS" if Mosley said it then it would say "MOSELY says" How can you try to make me seem wrong when you can't even provide the proof needed to do so? Why don't you show me that Shane said it instead? You are a funny dude. How can you tell me that it was never said by Roach but it is right there? Answer me another question. Why would Shane Mosley (If he did say it) make it seem like Roach said it? Does Shane have a history of putting words in someone else's mouth? Roach and Manny didn't want to fight Shane plain and simple. For the record, Arum did say that Shane wasn't much money compared to a Cotto fight as well. This reminds me of when you tried to say what Roach did mean to say. In actuality, you were the one trying to switch up what someone said and meant. Don't try to make me seem like I'm making this up because unlike you. I know what is going on in boxing and not just accusing people of making things up without finding out myself. YOU didn't even know that the video existed? Who do you think people would believe? You were ASS/U/ME'n and I was providing proof. Fall back homie.

First bold print: Nothing you said in this comment made you come off as the bigger man, so I don't know why you even mentioned that.

Second bold print: The YouTube clip that YOU provided DID NOT contain Roach saying that Shane was "too good for Pac". And you said in THIS THREAD that he said that! How can you not admit that?

[GRUSTLER]

You've provided no proof. You are saying that he said something in one interview, and IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE INTERVIEW. Now you are saying he was hinting at it. Fall back!

Can you prove that he didn't say it? I showed you links to his statement and you are telling me that somebody made that up and quoted Roach? That's a bunch of bologne. I showed you links and a video and you haven't provided anything at all to prove that Roach didn't say it. Why are you even trying to debate with me if you can't back up your claims? Do you understand that you did not provide any proof to counter my links? Your the BS one. Why are you telling me that the link I provided was not true when it is in publication? Look at what you wrote below and you tell me who is speculating.....

just wanted to reply to your post.

Secondly, I believe that was quoted from Shane Mosley. I'm not so sure that Freddie actually said that. I would imagine that, if he did say something, Freddie said something along the lines of Shane being too big of a fighter for Manny. This was after Shane destroyed Margs in January of '09, and Shane wasted the entire year trying to get a big fight now that his name was back in the hat of top fighters in boxing.

You imagine? Look at all the uncertainties in your post? You got the nerve to try and make me look foolio AND you got the nerve to say I'm the one putting words in peoples mouths and such? I'm providing videos, links and proof that Roach thought Shane was too good for a fight with Pac and all you are doing is telling me to prove it when I did and am already? Just take a look at YOUR post above? Get off the grill son because YOU are well done.

[GRUSTLER]

First you say that he said it, now you are saying that he hinted at it. Fall back with that.

Yo man..... even if the link is misquoted or even taken out of context, the video clearly states that Roach said Shane is better than Oscar, so why should he give Shane the advantage over Pac. Until I find that direct quote from a legit source I will say that Roach could have been misquoted off of that video but fact of the matter is that, Shane didn't get the fight because he was a better fighter than Oscar and Cotto because of that Margarito win. I am not sure but I think it is a video out there with Roach talking about Shane again. Going to investigate.

[BesWorldChamp]

Can you prove that he didn't say it? I showed you links to his statement and you are telling me that somebody made that up and quoted Roach? That's a bunch of bologne. I showed you links and a video and you haven't provided anything at all to prove that Roach didn't say it. Why are you even trying to debate with me if you can't back up your claims? Do you understand that you did not provide any proof to counter my links? Your the BS one. Why are you telling me that the link I provided was not true when it is in publication? Look at what you wrote below and you tell me who is speculating.....



You imagine? Look at all the uncertainties in your post? You got the nerve to try and make me look foolio AND you got the nerve to say I'm the one putting words in peoples mouths and such?

I'm providing videos, links and proof that Roach thought Shane was too good for a fight with Pac and all you are doing is telling me to prove it when I did and am already? Just take a look at YOUR post above? Get off the grill son because YOU are well done.

First bold print: I never said that you put words into people's mouths. I just think you misinterpreted something, but were too prideful to say you made a mistake.

Second bold print: Your video didn't contain what you said it contained, and your links were Dan Rafael blogs that also didn't address what you stated.

I've watched numerious videos today where Freddie said he would only allow the Shane fight with Manny (this is in '09) if he comes much closer to junior welterweight. He didn't want to disadvantage his fighter by putting him in the ring with someone who is so much more physically bigger than him.

Your one-liners to end your posts are really weak.