Muhammad Ali Vs Samuel Peter

[BennyST]

the fact that there is 16 people that think Sam Peter can do what a PRIME George Foreman, Prime Joe Frazier, Prime Ken Norton and even what Sonny Liston and so many others couldn't do, Upsets me so much.

Well, not to burst your bubble, but prime Frazier and prime Norton did actually beat him. Sam Peter has some seriously underrated characteristics that could do well here.

Oh, you mean KO him? Sixteen people think that? Well, I think it should be more!

[M Bison]

the fact that there is 16 people that think Sam Peter can do what a PRIME George Foreman, Prime Joe Frazier, Prime Ken Norton and even what Sonny Liston and so many others couldn't do, Upsets me so much.

Prime Frazier did do it though...

Sonny Liston was in his prime?
Those two fights were absolute BS the second one was blatantly fixed and the first one ended on a sour note.
Liston was one of the most controversial figures in boxing whats to say he lied in the first fight and lied again in the second fight?

George Foreman even said he felt like he was poisoned in his personal autobiography before the fight started he was told to swig from a cup/bottle of what was suppose to be water,
Then with him being harshly treated by everyone in Africa he didn't have anywhere near the same freedom as Ali did...
HE HAD TO GET FOOD SENT OVER TO HIM FROM THE USA!!

Ken Norton? Sheeshhhh... REALLY!?!?!
Ken Norton isn't what you think he is all I'm saying and even he beat Ali.

[bklynboy]

Well, I think you might be overrating his ability to take a shot from today's heavyweights. Peter was a well conditioned 260 pounds and was a massive, skilled power puncher. People forget how slick Toney was, and Peter annihilated him. We all know how good Wlad is, and Peter nearly KHTFO!

He had underrated speed and the ability to set up power combos like few did in the 60's. Do you remember the combos he was landing on the 6'6" Wlad? They were pretty beastly. Dropped him a few times, so I can definitely see Ali getting hurt too.

Just because he was in black and white doesn't mean he was invincible. He never fought someone quite like Peter.

It'd be a tough fight for both, but I think Peter would just manage to wear down Ali Frazier style, but with the extra size, power and skill that he possesses he might even be able to hurt/drop/stop him, as Frazier couldn't.

Several points of disagreement.

1. Samuel Peter is FAT and not well-conditioned at 260 pounds. He would be "well-conditioned" at 215 or so.
2. I don't think of him as being more massive or a bigger hitter than Shavers or Foreman for instance. (In fact it's almost insulting to compare Peters with them).
3. Ali fought most of his career in color.
4. Peter doesn't have anywhere near the movement or endurance as Frazier had. The two aren't comparable.

Now, just to make clear. I don't think that Peters is a bum by any means. He was a quality fighter but I think he would have done much, much better if he was 30 pounds lighter.

[SBleeder]

Several points of disagreement.

1. Samuel Peter is FAT and not well-conditioned at 260 pounds. He would be "well-conditioned" at 215 or so.
2. I don't think of him as being more massive or a bigger hitter than Shavers or Foreman for instance. (In fact it's almost insulting to compare Peters with them).
3. Ali fought most of his career in color.
4. Peter doesn't have anywhere near the movement or endurance as Frazier had. The two aren't comparable.

And Peter often had about half of Frazier's workrate... in 12 round fights.

[BennyST]

Several points of disagreement.

1. Samuel Peter is FAT and not well-conditioned at 260 pounds. He would be "well-conditioned" at 215 or so.
2. I don't think of him as being more massive or a bigger hitter than Shavers or Foreman for instance. (In fact it's almost insulting to compare Peters with them).
3. Ali fought most of his career in color.
4. Peter doesn't have anywhere near the movement or endurance as Frazier had. The two aren't comparable.

Now, just to make clear. I don't think that Peters is a bum by any means. He was a quality fighter but I think he would have done much, much better if he was 30 pounds lighter.

Well, I think we're going to disagree on many things.

Peter is well conditioned and very muscled at 250 pounds. He'd out muscle Ali, lean on him, tire his legs out.

Peter has similar power to Shavers and Foreman, and wasn't as one dimensional as those guys were. Shavers had one right hand, and gassed by round 2, while Foreman couldn't hit a train in front of him and just swung wildly. Peter actually set up his combos skilfully and landed good power shots in combination.

It doesn't matter. Nostalgia has blinded people to the reality of the greater skill level that is obviously around today. Bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled. If Frazier beat Ali, Peter would too, but easier.

Peter might not have the movement of a Frazier, but that's because Frazier was a midget heavyweight. Peter is a true heavyweight, with as much skill, more power, better combos, didn't rely on one punch, and was more versatile.

[SBleeder]

Well, I think we're going to disagree on many things.

Peter is well conditioned and very muscled at 250 pounds. He'd out muscle Ali, lean on him, tire his legs out.

Peter has similar power to Shavers and Foreman, and wasn't as one dimensional as those guys were. Shavers had one right hand, and gassed by round 2, while Foreman couldn't hit a train in front of him and just swung wildly. Peter actually set up his combos skilfully and landed good power shots in combination.

It doesn't matter. Nostalgia has blinded people to the reality of the greater skill level that is obviously around today. Bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled. If Frazier beat Ali, Peter would too, but easier.

Peter might not have the movement of a Frazier, but that's because Frazier was basically a middleweight. Peter is a true heavyweight, with as much skill, more power, better combos, didn't rely on one punch, and was more versatile.

Your satire was lost on me until this moment. I am the slow one in the bunch.

[young_robbed]

Your satire was lost on me until this moment. I am the slow one in the bunch.

lol Joe Fraizer the middleweight

[BennyST]

Several points of disagreement.

1. Samuel Peter is FAT and not well-conditioned at 260 pounds. He would be "well-conditioned" at 215 or so.
2. I don't think of him as being more massive or a bigger hitter than Shavers or Foreman for instance. (In fact it's almost insulting to compare Peters with them).
3. Ali fought most of his career in color.
4. Peter doesn't have anywhere near the movement or endurance as Frazier had. The two aren't comparable.

Now, just to make clear. I don't think that Peters is a bum by any means. He was a quality fighter but I think he would have done much, much better if he was 30 pounds lighter.

Hardly fat...compare that to Foreman. He looks in better shape than Frazier even. Kept his power late too.

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[Larry the boss]

what in the ****??????

[BennyST]

lol Joe Fraizer the middleweight

It was an exaggeration. So what? The guy is a small heavyweight is all I meant.