Muhammad Ali Vs Samuel Peter

[SBleeder]

It was an exaggeration. So what? The guy is a small heavyweight is all I meant.

Criminy... you're serious about Peter beating Ali?!

[Thickback]

Wow, people actually picked Peter. I need to reevaluate my participation on this site....

[Elroy1]

Watch some of his fights. One of the reasons the Foreman fight was great was because Ali was old, fighting a beast, changed his style and won the fight.

Practically every single one of his fights are absolute stinkers..

Even the so called BEST fights (Terrell, Williams) don't feature decent opponents (i.e. would never be able to box professionally today in the first place) and he looked rubbish against them anyway.

The poster "soul survivor" has a clip on his avatar with Ali dropping Williams in sped up version which really occurred slower, and that was probably the best seconds of his career.

That's all you need to know! lol

[Elroy1]

It's too bad we can't make fantasy fights because I don't see Peter winning many (if any) rounds. I think Ali has the speed to tee off on Peter w/o Peter able to close the gap. Ali has the chin to take the odd shot here and there.

And while I think Ali would win on points if Peter tried his all to win via KO he might very well be TKOed by exhaustion in the later rounds.

Point out to me a single fight in Ali's whole record where he managed to win every round?

Let's see what happened when Ali fought the closest analog of Peter in real life... Joe Frazier...

I know... Joe Frazier...

Is 30lbs lighter than Sam,
Has only 1/3 the chin of Sam,
Has only 1/3 the power of Sam,
Has only 1/3 the HW experience of Sam, (14-4 vs 34-5)
Was FATTER than prime Sam (who was lean and 6-packed),
And was blind on 1 eye.

OOPS, Ali managed to lose the 1st, struggled badly the other 2 times getting pasted and in reality was probably gifted atleast once.

Now take that Frazier, pump him full of steroids for the next 2 years and THERE'S ya friggin Samuel Peter.

"Oh but 60's Ali was faster DOE?"

Show me where that 60's Ali ever, EVER fought an opponent as good/tough as Peter? Please enlighten me, I must have missed it.

The same Ali that was crumpled on the floor against a 185lb guy? Please!

[M Bison]

As I said 60s version of Ali was knocked out by Cooper, just imagine if Samuel Peter got his big clubbing overhand right on that chinna chin chin

[Chris Collins]

Samuel peter beating Muhammad Ali

[THE_BIG_HURT]

Prime Frazier did do it though...

Sonny Liston was in his prime?
Those two fights were absolute BS the second one was blatantly fixed and the first one ended on a sour note.
Liston was one of the most controversial figures in boxing whats to say he lied in the first fight and lied again in the second fight?

George Foreman even said he felt like he was poisoned in his personal autobiography before the fight started he was told to swig from a cup/bottle of what was suppose to be water,
Then with him being harshly treated by everyone in Africa he didn't have anywhere near the same freedom as Ali did...
HE HAD TO GET FOOD SENT OVER TO HIM FROM THE USA!!

Ken Norton? Sheeshhhh... REALLY!?!?!
Ken Norton isn't what you think he is all I'm saying and even he beat Ali.

did they KO him like every person on this poll that selected Peter to win think Peter would do?
Not even close

[M Bison]

did they KO him like every person on this poll that selected Peter to win think Peter would do?
Not even close

No they didn't KO him but not many came close to it once he lobbed the extra bit of weight on he looked a lot more comfortable standing in and exchanging shots when it happened.
BUT Ali has had tight close rounds with lesser guys If James Toney didn't have that good of a time with Peters and Toney is a slick boxer with a good defense I'm not sure how well Ali would do If he didn't keep it at distance.

I believe Ali maybe could win this but it certainly wouldn't be a KO/TKO.

[young_robbed]

It was an exaggeration. So what? The guy is a small heavyweight is all I meant.

I liked your posts in the other thread about Estrada, but you're coming off as a complete idiot right now. The slandering of Joe Frazier has got to stop. at the end of the day the guy only lost to Foreman and Frazier his whole career. Frazier was an absolute beast and he was a much better more skilled inside fighter than Peter ever was.

[Elroy1]

As for Liston, I put forward that Peter was a better boxer skill/speed wise, stronger puncher than Liston and with better chin. Liston has no wins against a good HW opponent who wasn't atleast a former CW and coming off of losses. And every single one of them were absolute featherfists!

More the point I would argue that Ali NEVER CONVINCINGLY BEAT LISTON!

First fight: Even on the scorecards, Liston retires due to injury.

Second fight: Blatant dive, no doubt intimidated by Ali's connections and mob pressure.

And this was the closest thing "prime" Ali ever fought to someone the calibre of Peter. The evidence just isn't in for Ali..

The Liston question, the Frazier struggles, the Cooper fiasco, the fact that Peter has belted down opponents much better/larger than Ali himself and so much better than any of his opponents..

It's clear...