Muhammad Ali Vs Samuel Peter

[Suckmedry]

I wish that we could somehow witness this fight. It would resemble a grizzly bear trying to catch a butterfly

[Elroy1]

I wish that we could somehow witness this fight. It would resemble a grizzly bear trying to catch a butterfly

It would resemble an actual "bee" trying to nail a grizzly bear, no punch threat whatsoever.

I just can't see any performance indicators in any of Ali's fights that strongly leads to the conclusion that he could score a victory.

Peter was not THAT slow or bad.

[Marcov]

Nearly all of Ali's opponents would have knocked out Peter.

[Elroy1]

Nearly all of Ali's opponents would have knocked out Peter.

Yes, Peter's 230lb average opponents with good records couldn't knock Peter out but Ali's bummy 200lbers would all get the job done.

Of COURSE! All this time I have been blind.

Your testimony says more than real evidence ever could!

[M Bison]

Yes, Peter's 230lb average opponents with good records couldn't knock Peter out but Ali's bummy 200lbers would all get the job done.

Of COURSE! All this time I have been blind.

Your testimony says more than real evidence ever could!

Lmfao, sad thing is they actually well and truly believe guys two weight classes below Peter could crack the nut that real heavyweights couldn't do so.
I think maybe they're looking at Peter when he started to stray away from his prime.

[Elroy1]

Lmfao, sad thing is they actually well and truly believe guys two weight classes below Peter could crack the nut that real heavyweights couldn't do so.
I think maybe they're looking at Peter when he started to stray away from his prime.

Yes there's clearly fat bloated idiot Peter...

And THIS version of Peter on the right!

http://standing8count.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/peter-mccline_weighin.jpg

As you can see this specimen is unmatched by ANY 60's or 70's HW, makes Norton look chubby and Foreman look a little skinny!

I would very much like to see "Big Cat Williams" TAKE that Samuel Peter!

I don't think they really believe a lot of the stuff they say. It's some of the most ridiculous propaganda I've ever seen!

[bklynboy]

As for Liston, I put forward that Peter was a better boxer skill/speed wise, stronger puncher than Liston and with better chin. Liston has no wins against a good HW opponent who wasn't atleast a former CW and coming off of losses. And every single one of them were absolute featherfists!

More the point I would argue that Ali NEVER CONVINCINGLY BEAT LISTON!

First fight: Even on the scorecards, Liston retires due to injury.

Second fight: Blatant dive, no doubt intimidated by Ali's connections and mob pressure.

And this was the closest thing "prime" Ali ever fought to someone the calibre of Peter. The evidence just isn't in for Ali..

The Liston question, the Frazier struggles, the Cooper fiasco, the fact that Peter has belted down opponents much better/larger than Ali himself and so much better than any of his opponents..

It's clear...

Did you watch the first fight? It doesn't seem like it. Ali was tentative and then started taking over. He then got a substance in his eye (and lost that round) but took over the next round decisively. Maybe Liston hurt his shoulder. Maybe it was a no mas move on his part. But at the time of the stoppage it was clear that Ali was in charge.

You seem to think that size trumps skill. You also seem to think that body building helps in boxing. Lifting weights makes you look better but it doesn't necessarily make you a better boxer or pitcher or golfer.

Look at the skinny little f**k who took the golfing world by storm in the late 1990s. 10 years later Tiger Woods added 30 pounds to his frame but he wasn't hitting the ball any further than he did as a kid.

Ron Guidry (a Yankee pitcher of the 1980s) was a skinny guy but he threw as hard as Roger Clemens (a big guy). Bob Feller was a "little guy" and pitchers 70 yrs later don't throw harder than he did.

Bulking up does not make you faster (in fact it slows your punches, slows your agility (ability to slip punches), slows down your footwork and reduces your stamina). And bulking up doesn't automatically mean your punching power increases. (It does help you absorb more body shots.)

Take a look at what happened to Willard (who was KOed by Dempsey) or Carnera. By your standards - take a look at their physiques - both were in great shape (judging by a camera on stage) and both were big "modern" sized boxers. Size, after a point, doesn't mean much. Oh - and power comes more from speed (acceleration of the punch) and timing than it does from bulk (mass).

Increase the speed of your punch (assuming you're sitting on your weight) and your power goes up.

Excess weight reduces you're ability to move/react and get perfect timing.

[Ray Corso]

Ridiculous match up! Ali by tko after 6 or 7 rounds of Peter being hit at will and never landing a thing on Ali. This would be worse than Williams or the first Liston fight when Ali made Liston quit on his stoll with his mouth and eyes busted up and his phony shoulder injury as an excuse because he knew he was getting tko'd.

....peters in the 60's & 70"s is a marginal contender who could earn good money as a sparring partner then. Ali in the present era reigns champion easily there's no one with the skill set to challenge because no one now comes to fight with pressure and aggression. They all think they could box and how in the world would someone as slow as Wlad or Peter out box the fastest and smartest heavy of all time? That's right...they wouldn't!!!!
Ray.

[M Bison]

Ridiculous match up! Ali by tko after 6 or 7 rounds of Peter being hit at will and never landing a thing on Ali. This would be worse than Williams or the first Liston fight when Ali made Liston quit on his stoll with his mouth and eyes busted up and his phony shoulder injury as an excuse because he knew he was getting tko'd.

....peters in the 60's & 70"s is a marginal contender who could earn good money as a sparring partner then. Ali in the present era reigns champion easily there's no one with the skill set to challenge because no one now comes to fight with pressure and aggression. They all think they could box and how in the world would someone as slow as Wlad or Peter out box the fastest and smartest heavy of all time? That's right...they wouldn't!!!!
Ray.

Smartest heavy of all time?

Taking a pasting on the ropes to tire an opponent out... intelligent?

Maybe its smart cheating to win, poisoning big George Foreman to win...
"I almost spit it out ... Man, I know this water has medicine in it,"
"I climbed into the ring with that medicinal taste still lingering in my mouth ... After the third round, I was as tired as if I had fought 15 rounds. What's going on here? Did someone slip a drug in my water?"
ALL of a sudden Ali can KO a guy who has never since then came ANYWHERE close to ever being stopped!
Ali did it yet bigger punchers like Morrison couldn't when Foreman was a lot older...

Ali heaps himself around a whole lot of controversy like the time he fought Cooper he cheated to win then and he got lucky with the Liston fight both of them were probably staged but even then up until Sonny had to quit the scorecards were very even.

[SBleeder]

Yes, Peter's 230lb average opponents with good records couldn't knock Peter out but Ali's bummy 200lbers would all get the job done.

Of COURSE! All this time I have been blind.

Your testimony says more than real evidence ever could!

Peter couldn't knock out a guy who started as a middleweight.