How you beat Pac and Mayweather....

[studentofthegam]

1) wifebeater's not as mobile anymore.

2) wifebeater don't punch unless he knows for sure the other guy is out of position to punch. but pac seemingly can punch from any position. this will keep wifebeater from punching so much and with low punch output comes the risk of getting outworked.

3) wifebeater won't punch when pac is punching. he won't risk trading with pac. if pac is constantly punching when in punching range, then wifebeater will never get a chance to punch. when your opponent is throwing more punches than you, there's a good chance you will get outworked.

that is why wifebeater will get outworked.

Not mobile. So he's lost his "prime" status since fighting Hatton. To say floyd cant move anymore is a severe underestimation. He just hasnt had to move. Its a matter of necessity Side note: If Hatton isnt a pressure fighter then they dont really exist. I watched Duran vs Leonard 1 last night and Duran and Ricky look shockingly similar.

You sure about this? The dude is versatile.

I agree with him about Floyd not wanting heated exchanges. Thats play for the crowd and shortens your career. Im cool with him picking them apart for 11rds 2min and 50sec. He can exchange the last 10 seconds like he's been doing.

[The Gambler1981]

The thing about being inside truly inside is that is actually a very safe place (most of the time), Floyd gets that.

Either be in or out don't dilly dally in the other guys range, that is a key concept as to why he is what he is. If he couldn't fight in both places he would no be considered what he is.

[studentofthegam]

jmm is braver than wifebeater. jmm traded with pac. wifebeater won't.

wifebeater gets outworked.

Thats JMM's game. He does it the same with everybody not just Pac.

We dont wanna confuse lack of bravery with ****** because thats what it would be if Floyd goes in there winging punch. Just like it would be ****** of Pac to come in and try to dance and jab. Its style not weakness.

[tredh]

Not mobile. So he's lost his "prime" status since fighting Hatton. To say floyd cant move anymore is a severe underestimation. He just hasnt had to move. Its a matter of necessity Side note: If Hatton isnt a pressure fighter then they dont really exist. I watched Duran vs Leonard 1 last night and Duran and Ricky look shockingly similar.

I agree with him about Floyd not wanting heated exchanges. Thats play for the crowd and shortens your career. Im cool with him picking them apart for 11rds 2min and 50sec. He can exchange the last 10 seconds like he's been doing.

Heated exchanges and fighting in close quarters are two very different things.

[brick wall]

Uh...actually seeing him fight there before in the past and being very successful in doing so. Have you seen his fight with Jesus Chavez before? He displayed a great ability to fight in close quarters, it was beautiful how he picked his shots, picked off Chavez's shots (although he did get hit), create space when he wanted to, and throw many combinations in very close quarters. He laid on the ropes and rolled shots and countered in a precise manner. The dude can fight in close quarters.

it's the same thing with his fight against hernandez. my point is...he doesn't really try to get close to unload his offense. it's his opponents who tried to get in close range with him because that's the only way you could land a punch against floyd. for me a good close range fighter initiates the encounter and give his opponent a beating. and like you said, he did get hit too in those fight at lower weights that's why he changed his style a bit as went up in weight. i'm not saying he can't fight in close range...anybody with his skills and talent can fight in close range. but he's not the typical close range fighter who brings more damage to his opponent as he comes close. floyd is the opposite...he's more dangerous when you gave him his space.

[Chopper417]

The thing about being inside truly inside is that is actually a very safe place (most of the time), Floyd gets that.

Either be in or out don't dilly dally in the other guys range, that is a key concept as to why he is what he is. If he couldn't fight in both places he would no be considered what he is.

Perfectly stated. Literally spot on, damn it's refreshing to hear someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Pac is great inside of his preferred punching range, but Floyd controls distance better than anyone in boxing. He will either be too far inside Pac's range or too far outside of it for Pac to be consistently effective.

[The Gambler1981]

It is not about getting off, it is about staying out of the other guys optimal range. Running away the whole time is not the only way to stay out of range, it is a lot more efficient to step in, then go to work from there.

On top of everything else it keeps the other guy guessing.

Floyd with the exception of one fight has gotten the better of the guy across from him on the inside and a lot of guys he fought were better on the inside than outside.

[V.WEBB]

it's the same thing with his fight against hernandez. my point is...he doesn't really try to get close to unload his offense. it's his opponents who tried to get in close range with him because that's the only way you could land a punch against floyd. for me a good close range fighter initiates the encounter and give his opponent a beating. and like you said, he did get hit too in those fight at lower weights that's why he changed his style a bit as went up in weight. i'm not saying he can't fight in close range...anybody with his skills and talent can fight in close range. but he's not the typical close range fighter who brings more damage to his opponent as he comes close. floyd is the opposite...he's more dangerous when you gave him his space.

Rather he initiates it or not, should not be a basis as to if he is a good inside fighter. You clearly said that he was "not very good" at it. I disagree wholeheartedly with that comment. Film on him has shown that he is good at in-fighting. And, it wasn't so much of him "changing his style" when he moved up, but more-so him being versatile to fight in different styles.

[studentofthegam]

floyd is not really good fighting in close range. he's clever yeah but it's not his style to really fight in a close range. he's good fighting coming out of a clinch because he's smart enough to use those extra tricks like elbows and pushing his gloves to his opponent's face. he also has that style of unloading a punch then initiating a clinch when his opponent gets close to him. but when it comes to a toe-to-toe encounter that's not his style...in fact he avoids those kind of confrontation.

Heated exchanges and fighting in close quarters are two very different things.

I was referring more to this part.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Perfectly stated. Literally spot on, damn it's refreshing to hear someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Pac is great inside of his preferred punching range, but Floyd controls distance better than anyone in boxing. He will either be too far inside Pac's range or too far outside of it for Pac to be consistently effective.

Why risk it though? Hahaha, I mean if I'm going to go to war with you and I know you have a great Navy and so do I, but I have more tanks and planes, why would I get in the water?



Can Floyd fight on the inside? Yes of course, there's pretty much nothing Floyd can't do but why on earth would he want to do that and give Pacquaio the only chance he has at winning.

There will be times in the fight where Floyd will be forced to fight on the inside, so he will do what he did vs Hatton (a very aggressive inside fighter who is borderline dirty) simple......................................hold. Pot shot, box, move, keep jabbing, move backwards and when he is backed into a corner, grab, hold wait for the ref to break it up and do it all over again.