How you beat Pac and Mayweather....

[fabie]

Very nice in depth analysis. I didn't want to be long winded and wanted to talk more about style than technical combo's that would work. I just see Mayweather not taking risks, he's great when it comes to taking away another fighters strengths even if it means limiting what he does well. That's why I don't see him getting into inside exchanges with Pac. His best bet is to use his length, speed and outside boxing skills to keep Pac at bay, lure him and land that devastating left "check" hook and straight right hand.



He could but he won't, see my above post. /\/\

Thanks.

Mayweather is superb in playing it safe, that's why he is the premier Defensive Fighter of all time. I see that would be a big issue for Pacquiao.

On the other hand, I can also see that if Pacquiao connects (it would be hard) then he can open the floodgates and follow up on Mayweather. He's got the power, speed and savvy to go after Mayweather.

The sad part is that both are past their primes now though relatively Pacquiao is more "fit" mentally and physically. But I'm sure that after the legal obligations Mayweather has, he can up the ante in his part and towards the fight.

Pacquiao's congressman and entertainer chores/responsibilities WILL take toll likewise...

But no matter what, a fight between them is the most anticipated ever. It has to happen. Period.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Thanks.

Mayweather is superb in playing it safe, that's why he is the premier Defensive Fighter of all time. I see that would be a big issue for Pacquiao.

On the other hand, I can also see that if Pacquiao connects (it would be hard) then he can open the floodgates and follow up on Mayweather. He's got the power, speed and savvy to go after Mayweather.

The sad part is that both are past their primes now though relatively Pacquiao is more "fit" mentally and physically. But I'm sure that after the legal obligations Mayweather has, he can up the ante in his part and towards the fight.

Pacquiao's congressman and entertainer chores/responsibilities WILL take toll likewise...

But no matter what, a fight between them is the most anticipated ever. It has to happen. Period.

I don't think they are past their primes, as a matter of fact I think both are at the top of their games both mentally and physically. Don't think that because Mosley landed those two hard rights that Mayweather has somehow lost something, he hasn't.

It's just that I think it was a combination of Mayweather under estimating Mosley and Mosley just being the crafty vet he is. Once he learned that lesson, Mayweather completely dominated the last 11 rounds of that fight.

Against DLH, Mayweather was much more focused. He knew that even though Oscar wasn't the same, his style was tougher for him than most other's because DLH is such a good, classically trained boxer who can do as well going forward as backwards.

We need to see this fight NOW but I fear it might never happen and when it does it will be like the Leanard vs Hagler fight that was about 7 years too late.

[Larry the boss]

Pacquaio:

Pac is a very unique athlete and fighter, I can't really remember anyone like him. I think of someone I can compare him to and it's really hard. Maybe an early version of Duran because of how active and relentless he is but I'm not sure.

Pac isn't the best pure boxer out there, what makes him great is his speed and quickness and awkward style. He is also an incredible puncher for a man his size. His punching power alone beat JMM because of the knockdowns because he was outboxed and out countered.

How you beat him:

He doesn't do well vs counter punchers. He wants to be aggressive when you allow him to and if you are a great counter puncher like JMM or Mayweather, you can beat him. You have to be very careful of course of not getting caught but his style lends itself to being countered if you have the speed and skill to overcome his natural freakish abilities.

Mayweather:

He is one of the most skilled natural boxers I have ever seen in my life time, especially defensively. Forget the hate, forget that fact he seems like a ***, he is an incredible talent. Speed, reaction, reflexes, power and ring intelligence make him the pound 4 pound best in the game IMO. His work ethic is incredible as well, he comes in shape and stays in shape during his off time.

How you beat Mayweather:

He had problems with fighters that try and overwhelm him, ala Castillo. Of course he adapted in the second fight and over came that but there'a a reason the Mayweather's didn't want to fight Margarito in his prime because they knew the size, chin and work rate of Margarito would not be a good match for Mayweather.

You need to be super aggressive, have a great chin and a serious work rate to beat Mayweather.

Mayweather vs Pacquaio:

Mayweather's game plan will be not pursue Pac. He will force Pac to come forward, use the jab (even though the jab isn't the best against a lefty as an orthodox fighter) and then counter with that incredible left hook going backwards and straight right hand that comes from out of nowhere.

in other words both have the style to beat each other........

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

in other words both have the style to beat each other........

Pac could beat Mayweather, I would never say never but I should have added be bigger, stronger with that work rate and aggressive style.

Pac has the aggressive style but I don't think Pac would be able to pressure him and muscle him enough being the smaller man.

Saying that of course Pac could land a big shot and we know how he finishes people but I think that would be very, very hard.

[MindBat]

Keep in mind the reason Castillo appeared to overwhelm Floyd in the first bout was due to Floyd fighting injured the majority of the fight. As you stated, the rematch proved conclusive. Not even Castillo himself would dispute the outcome of the rematch.

Floyd handles pressure fighters quite well: Corrales and Hatton.

We can only speculate about the outcome of a Floyd-Margo match. But, I would speculate Floyd would be considered the underdog and would've pulled off a UD victory as most now believe.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Keep in mind the reason Castillo appeared to overwhelm Floyd in the first bout was due to Floyd fighting injured the majority of the fight. As you stated, the rematch proved conclusive. Not even Castillo himself would dispute the outcome of the rematch.

Floyd handles pressure fighters quite well: Corrales and Hatton.

We can only speculate about the outcome of a Floyd-Margo match. But, I would speculate Floyd would be considered the underdog and would've pulled off a UD victory as most now believe.

Good points but that's why I think size matters a lot vs Mayweather as well. Marg wasn't going to get that fight, he just wasn't. Roger knew that even if Mayweather could have pulled off that UD, it was going to be tough, I mean look at how Marg handled all of Pac's shots and there's no way Mayweather has even half of that punch output.

[Pullcounter]

Mayweather doesn't need to go to Pac's body, that would be incredibly ******. To go to the body, you need to get close and exchange. Mayweather would out point Pac and go on to win a UD.

Won't be popular and might even be boring but he isn't a risk taker, you know this.

you can't beat pac unless you go to the body and slow him down.

wifebeater gets outworked if he potshots.

[Pullcounter]

Floyd handles pressure fighters quite well: Corrales and Hatton.

corrales is a puncher, not a pressure fighter.

hatton is a hold-n-hit fighter like ward, not a pressure fighter.

[V.WEBB]

Very nice in depth analysis. I didn't want to be long winded and wanted to talk more about style than technical combo's that would work. I just see Mayweather not taking risks, he's great when it comes to taking away another fighters strengths even if it means limiting what he does well. That's why I don't see him getting into inside exchanges with Pac. His best bet is to use his length, speed and outside boxing skills to keep Pac at bay, lure him and land that devastating left "check" hook and straight right hand.


He could but he won't, see my above post. /\/\

You think its more of a risk for him to fight Manny in close quarters? I don't. Also when I said I see him fighting on the inside, I wasn't referring to flat out exchanging with Manny. I see the inside as weakness for Manny and a strength for Mayweather. I can see Floyd trying to get real gritty on the inside.

But that is just one way Floyd could fight Manny. I don't totally disagree with what you are saying about Floyd boxing Manny (I can clearly see that), I just think he will fight more in close quarters.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

you can't beat pac unless you go to the body and slow him down.

wifebeater gets outworked if he potshots.

Not when you are a pot shotting counter puncher like Mayweather. He won't go in there trying to KO him, you need to understand that. If you want to KO Pac, then I fully agree with you and that's what Marg tried but was unsuccessful at doing.