How you beat Pac and Mayweather....

[brick wall]

Rather he initiates it or not, should not be a basis as to if he is a good inside fighter. You clearly said that he was "not very good" at it. I disagree wholeheartedly with that comment. Film on him has shown that he is good at in-fighting. And, it wasn't so much of him "changing his style" when he moved up, but more-so him being versatile to fight in different styles.

i can't even classify him as an inside fighter so saying he's a good inside fighter is a stretch. a good inside fighter wins fights on the inside or is more effective fighting on the inside. that's not just his style.

[Walt Liquor]

PAC is too hard to dictate range to in the ring. His lightning fast attacks and rhythm allow him to get where he wants to be. No jab from Floyd is gonna consistently stop that. PAC needs to hurt Floyd in the first half of the fight, and better finish him or get way ahead on points. If Floyd hangs around, I suspect he'll time PAC and get a kd or two.

I'm with coach, I expect Floyd NOT to fight from the outside for the majority of the
fight. Like gambler says, Floyd in the pocket would be deadly for manny. He's too good
with creating space with the shoulder/elbow and landing one punch or 2 pinch combos. I'd like floyds chances more if he was still a top combination puncher (why jmm's countering was so effective).

Floyd won't hurt PAC unless he times him coming in, which he definitely can do.

Bottom line, I don't like Floyd staying at long distance this fight. I like him mid-close. I like manny if he can get in and out on Floyd over and over. I don't think Floyd wants to fight hard for 12 rounds anymore, manny needs to put mental pressure on Floyd without getting tied up and muscled around.


Ps. Floyd is a sick infighter to whoever said he can't fight inside.

[The Gambler1981]

Why risk it though? Hahaha, I mean if I'm going to go to war with you and I know you have a great Navy and so do I, but I have more tanks and planes, why would I get in the water?



Can Floyd fight on the inside? Yes of course, there's pretty much nothing Floyd can't do but why on earth would he want to do that and give Pacquaio the only chance he has at winning.

There will be times in the fight where Floyd will be forced to fight on the inside, so he will do what he did vs Hatton (a very aggressive inside fighter who is borderline dirty) simple......................................hold. Pot shot, box, move, keep jabbing, move backwards and when he is backed into a corner, grab, hold wait for the ref to break it up and do it all over again.

The thing is it is not really going to war if the other dude can't really get at you on the inside. In fact it is spoiling what the other guy does grinding them down, it is dangerous to go inside because you pass through the guys range which if you stay outside will never happen but keeping the other guy off balance is a plus and the danger is limited if you know not to get caught in the other guys range.

As long as you can get the better of the action on the inside why not.


Although I do agree jab-right hand and make Manny pay for every inch of real estate, just sometimes Manny will pay the price from there I think Floyd has to step in and smother going to work on the inside with his forearm shove.

[The Big Dunn]

PAC is too hard to dictate range to in the ring. His lightning fast attacks and rhythm allow him to get where he wants to be. No jab from Floyd is gonna consistently stop that. PAC needs to hurt Floyd in the first half of the fight, and better finish him or get way ahead on points. If Floyd hangs around, I suspect he'll time PAC and get a kd or two.

I'm with coach, I expect Floyd NOT to fight from the outside for the majority of the
fight. Like gambler says, Floyd in the pocket would be deadly for manny. He's too good
with creating space with the shoulder/elbow and landing one punch or 2 pinch combos. I'd like floyds chances more if he was still a top combination puncher (why jmm's countering was so effective).

Floyd won't hurt PAC unless he times him coming in, which he definitely can do.

Bottom line, I don't like Floyd staying at long distance this fight. I like him mid-close. I like manny if he can get in and out on Floyd over and over. I don't think Floyd wants to fight hard for 12 rounds anymore, manny needs to put mental pressure on Floyd without getting tied up and muscled around.


Ps. Floyd is a sick infighter to whoever said he can't fight inside.

He is a good inside fighter (even though we haven't seen him do this much recently.
I also think floyd hits harder than people think. ODH, Mosley, Gatti, Zab, Diego all talked about being surprised he hit that hard.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

PAC is too hard to dictate range to in the ring. His lightning fast attacks and rhythm allow him to get where he wants to be. No jab from Floyd is gonna consistently stop that. PAC needs to hurt Floyd in the first half of the fight, and better finish him or get way ahead on points. If Floyd hangs around, I suspect he'll time PAC and get a kd or two.

I'm with coach, I expect Floyd NOT to fight from the outside for the majority of the
fight. Like gambler says, Floyd in the pocket would be deadly for manny. He's too good
with creating space with the shoulder/elbow and landing one punch or 2 pinch combos. I'd like floyds chances more if he was still a top combination puncher (why jmm's countering was so effective).

Floyd won't hurt PAC unless he times him coming in, which he definitely can do.

Bottom line, I don't like Floyd staying at long distance this fight. I like him mid-close. I like manny if he can get in and out on Floyd over and over. I don't think Floyd wants to fight hard for 12 rounds anymore, manny needs to put mental pressure on Floyd without getting tied up and muscled around.


Ps. Floyd is a sick infighter to whoever said he can't fight inside.

So let me get this straight...

Cotto, a fighter with a great jab but much slower and not half the boxer Mayweather is landed his jab at will on Manny int he first two rounds but Mayweather can't?

Also, I agree, Mayweather is a great inside fighter, he's a great fighter period but don't you think getting within range of a smaller, shorter armed fighter would be the less intelligent thing to do? Fight on the inside when necessary, don't do it as a game plan.

I still don't understand why people think Pac is so much faster of foot than Mayweather, I think Floyd moves just as fast in and out as Pac does but he has a long reach and is a much better counter puncher.

[brick wall]

Ps. Floyd is a sick infighter to whoever said he can't fight inside.

nobody really said that

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

The thing is it is not really going to war if the other dude can't really get at you on the inside. In fact it is spoiling what the other guy does grinding them down, it is dangerous to go inside because you pass through the guys range which if you stay outside will never happen but keeping the other guy off balance is a plus and the danger is limited if you know not to get caught in the other guys range.

As long as you can get the better of the action on the inside why not.


Although I do agree jab-right hand and make Manny pay for every inch of real estate, just sometimes Manny will pay the price from there I think Floyd has to step in and smother going to work on the inside with his forearm shove.

But Gambler, when have we ever seen Pacquaio just sit in the pocket and **** with someone? Even in the fight against JMM where they had viscous exchanges, it was angles that killed JMM, not just sitting on the inside trading traditionally like one would think.

When I think of Pac and Mayweather, the last thing I see happening is those two just sitting on the inside. With the amount of movement and angles each fighter displays and the way Mayweather LOVES to keep fighters out of reach, I just don't see it.

That's just my opinion tho.

[The Gambler1981]

PAC is too hard to dictate range to in the ring. His lightning fast attacks and rhythm allow him to get where he wants to be. No jab from Floyd is gonna consistently stop that. PAC needs to hurt Floyd in the first half of the fight, and better finish him or get way ahead on points. If Floyd hangs around, I suspect he'll time PAC and get a kd or two.

I'm with coach, I expect Floyd NOT to fight from the outside for the majority of the
fight. Like gambler says, Floyd in the pocket would be deadly for manny. He's too good
with creating space with the shoulder/elbow and landing one punch or 2 pinch combos. I'd like floyds chances more if he was still a top combination puncher (why jmm's countering was so effective).

Floyd won't hurt PAC unless he times him coming in, which he definitely can do.

Bottom line, I don't like Floyd staying at long distance this fight. I like him mid-close. I like manny if he can get in and out on Floyd over and over. I don't think Floyd wants to fight hard for 12 rounds anymore, manny needs to put mental pressure on Floyd without getting tied up and muscled around.


Ps. Floyd is a sick infighter to whoever said he can't fight inside.

Why I think Floyd wins is because his ability to do both, if Floyd could only do one I don't think that would be enough to stop Manny being able to do both is a very tough problem combined with the fact Floyd knows how to exploit his advantages to the fullest.

Floyd doing both is a risk though because there will be points when he is in range because it can't be helped but once he gets Manny's range he will not linger in that position for long at any point there after.

If Manny can keep Floyd in ranges that suit him he will most likely win though, because he will throw enough punches that make contact with Floyd to give the impression he is winning

[MindBat]

PAC is too hard to dictate range to in the ring. His lightning fast attacks and rhythm allow him to get where he wants to be. No jab from Floyd is gonna consistently stop that. PAC needs to hurt Floyd in the first half of the fight, and better finish him or get way ahead on points. If Floyd hangs around, I suspect he'll time PAC and get a kd or two.

I'm with coach, I expect Floyd NOT to fight from the outside for the majority of the
fight. Like gambler says, Floyd in the pocket would be deadly for manny. He's too good
with creating space with the shoulder/elbow and landing one punch or 2 pinch combos. I'd like floyds chances more if he was still a top combination puncher (why jmm's countering was so effective).

Floyd won't hurt PAC unless he times him coming in, which he definitely can do.

Bottom line, I don't like Floyd staying at long distance this fight. I like him mid-close. I like manny if he can get in and out on Floyd over and over. I don't think Floyd wants to fight hard for 12 rounds anymore, manny needs to put mental pressure on Floyd without getting tied up and muscled around.


Ps. Floyd is a sick infighter to whoever said he can't fight inside.

I think it's fair to state that Manny will be using the in-out darting and fast combos to get an edge, and I won't be surprised if he attempts to change up his style at times to throw Floyd off his game. That would make the fight interesting.

Can he sustain his attack effectively without getting caught too much, is the question.

[TOBYLEE1]

This is a pick em fight. Pac with his speed and combination can hurt Floyd. Floyd with his counterpunching and defense could really cut down Manny's punch output.

Logic says that Floyd is a bigger, faster and stronger version of JMM. Pac last peformances says alot of his will to win