whos greater all time Pacquiao or B-Hop?

[Steak]

I have to admit, I find it pretty funny that this is considered one of Hopkins' 20 title defences.



title defenes dont mean much anyway to me, but really?

that being said, you could easily make a case for Hopkins>Pacquiao, based on his 40+ record. its pretty astonishing.

[serv]

Pacquiao... I dont feel there is a need to rationalize the choice.

[boxing2106]

His legacy is based on fighting smaller guys coming up and defending against contenders

There were better fights he could have taken so I dont care if it wasnt his fault that MW didnt have anybody

so margarito is a somebody because he has a name right ?

hopkins did his job and fought the best available competition in his division and he fought tito and oscar when they moved up.. they went to him not the other way around.


2004-09-18 156 Oscar De La Hoya 155 37-3-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 9 12

time: 1:38 | referee: Kenny Bayless | judge: Dave Moretti 79-73 | judge: Paul Smith 78-74 | judge: Keith MacDonald 75-77
WBA Super World middleweight title (supervisor: York Van Nixon)
WBC middleweight title
IBF middleweight title
WBO middleweight title


2004-06-05 159 Robert Allen 160 36-4-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12

referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Carol Castellano 119-107 | judge: Jerry Roth 119-107 | judge: Patricia Morse Jarman 117-109
WBC middleweight title
WBA Super World middleweight title (supervisor: Rodolfo Fortich)
IBF middleweight title
Allen penalized one point in 5th for low blows. Allen down in 7th.


2003-12-13 160 William Joppy 159 34-2-1

Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 12 12

referee: Earl Morton | judge: Melvina Lathan 119-109 | judge: Steve Weisfeld 119-108 | judge: John Stewart 118-109
WBC middleweight title
WBA Super World middleweight title (supervisor: Renzo Bagnariol)
IBF middleweight title


2003-03-29 158½ Morrade Hakkar 159 31-3-0

Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W RTD 8 12

referee: Frank Cappuccino | judge: Alfred Asaro 70-63 | judge: **** Flaherty 70-62 | judge: Tom Kaczmarek 70-62
WBC middleweight title
WBA Super World middleweight title
IBF middleweight title


2002-02-02 158¾ Carl Daniels 160 47-3-1

Sovereign Center, Reading, Pennsylvania, United States W TKO 10 12

referee: Frank Cappuccino | judge: Adelaide Triplett 100-90 | judge: Gary Ritter 100-90 | judge: Steve Weisfeld 100-89
WBC middleweight title
WBA Super World middleweight title
IBF middleweight title


2001-09-29 157 Felix Trinidad 158½ 40-0-0

Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, United States W TKO 12 12

time: 1:18 | referee: Steve Smoger | judge: Don Ackerman 109-100 | judge: Stanley Christodoulou 107-102 | judge: Anek Hongtongkam 107-102
WBC middleweight title
WBA Super World middleweight title
IBF middleweight title


2001-04-14 159 Keith Holmes 157½ 36-2-0

Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, United States W UD 12 12

referee: Steve Smoger | judge: George Colon 118-109 | judge: Larry Hazzard Jr. 117-110 | judge: Tom Kaczmarek 119-108
WBC middleweight title
IBF middleweight title

[Las Vegas,]

Hopkins did what the Klitschkos are doing now, defending against highly inferior contenders for those title defends

His legacy is based on 20 defenses, not really beating the best possible

I don't blame Hopkins just like I don't blame the Klitschkos.

Point is Hopkins took on all challengers including the young hungry talented fighters of that time. Did Bernard have to fight Taylor? No, he could of retired with his 10 million dollar pay day he got from DLH and ride off into the sunset at 41 years old. However he didn't. He fought the young and hungry champion. Has Pacquiao fought Berto? Bradley? Khan? Alexander? No, he's fighting Shane Mosley. Who made his name off De La Hoya 10 years ago.

It's funny because people say Roy Jones Jr is one of the greatest fighters of all time. Who did he beat though? His biggest wins are James Toney and John Ruiz. Yet he's considered one of the greatest of all time because he's a star. He had that crowd pleasing style. Remember, this is the same guy Bernard has called out for a rematch FOR YEARS. Yet, he never took it. Yet somehow Roy is ranked higher than Bernard.

How is this possible? I don't get the logic.

[winky's right]

bhop gets my vote but either option is contestable

[Instinto]

I don't blame Hopkins just like I don't blame the Klitschkos.

Point is Hopkins took on all challengers including the young hungry talented fighters of that time. Did Bernard have to fight Taylor? No, he could of retired with his 10 million dollar pay day he got from DLH and ride off into the sunset at 41 years old. However he didn't. He fought the young and hungry champion. Has Pacquiao fought Berto? Bradley? Khan? Alexander? No, he's fighting Shane Mosley. Who made his name off De La Hoya 10 years ago.

It's funny because people say Roy Jones Jr is one of the greatest fighters of all time. Who did he beat though? His biggest wins are James Toney and John Ruiz. Yet he's considered one of the greatest of all time because he's a star. He had that crowd pleasing style. Remember, this is the same guy Bernard has called out for a rematch FOR YEARS. Yet, he never took it. Yet somehow Roy is ranked higher than Bernard.

How is this possible? I don't get the logic.

I also don't see anything great in Roy Jones jr. Only thing I want to say in comparision of Hopkins and Pacquiao is the thing is Pacquiao's legacy was built by fighting best guys in 8 different weight divisions, on the other hand Hopkins's legacy was built by beating best challengers in weak division for 10 years. He was big MW, according to boxrec only one his challenger was taller than him. The thing you expect from champion is cleaning up division and moving up for better challenge. Hopkins, Calzaghe and Jones were reigning in 3 weight divisions and not fighting each other for a long time.

[Steak]

Pacquiao beating Mosley is irrelevant. Pacquiao has wins over Marquez, Barrerax2, Cotto, Sasakul, Ledwaba, Hatton, and Clottey. THOSE matter.
..the Morales win I suppose you could count but I think Pacquiaos wins over him are pretty overrated. David Diaz doesnt count for much in my book either.

I dont think hes heads and shoulders above Hopkins though.

[Russian Crushin]

I don't blame Hopkins just like I don't blame the Klitschkos.

Point is Hopkins took on all challengers including the young hungry talented fighters of that time. Did Bernard have to fight Taylor? No, he could of retired with his 10 million dollar pay day he got from DLH and ride off into the sunset at 41 years old. However he didn't. He fought the young and hungry champion. Has Pacquiao fought Berto? Bradley? Khan? Alexander? No, he's fighting Shane Mosley. Who made his name off De La Hoya 10 years ago.

It's funny because people say Roy Jones Jr is one of the greatest fighters of all time. Who did he beat though? His biggest wins are James Toney and John Ruiz. Yet he's considered one of the greatest of all time because he's a star. He had that crowd pleasing style. Remember, this is the same guy Bernard has called out for a rematch FOR YEARS. Yet, he never took it. Yet somehow Roy is ranked higher than Bernard.

How is this possible? I don't get the logic.

Point is, its who you beat, not they are young and hungry but WHO YOU BEAT

[Steak]

Point is, its who you beat, not they are young and hungry but WHO YOU BEAT

well, Hopkins has some pretty impressive names on his record, especially considering a lot of them came when he was over 40.

[gopi11]

and hes still active at his age i doubt pacquiao will be fighting at age 40+

and hopkins has been doubted so many times and still comes threw.. no catchweight bs. example he moved up and beat tarver soundly

Hopkins has 3 catchweight fights against Pacquiao's 2, and that was against Wright, Dela Hoya (158) and Pavlik (170), just saying...