Where are the HGH experts now?

[The Gambler1981]

are you listenin to yourself? this is not a marathon this is boxing. if your not sparring or doing mitts you losing your timing and rhythm. and for a boxer before a match this is very important aspect of training. duh

That doesn't change his athletic level though, that is what PED are about.

[Alibata]

There sould be no compromises in drug testing, either it is going the whole nine yards or it is inferior.

I trust the experts on when testing needs to occur, I am sure USADA would do something similar to Mayweather-Mosley unless they had reason to believe otherwise (which pretty much means there would be no fight).

So why make a big deal about those last 7 days~ unless you need it.

Every sport is different. There have been experts including conte that say that even 14 days is good. Why push the issue when some experts have said testing too close to the fight could be dangerous fighters risking hematoma and other things. There has to be something tailor made for boxing, I don't think 0 days is proper for boxing if your were to ask me. There was a reason they stopped 18 days before Floyd and Mosley fight. What reason is there to test all the way to the fight if it could affect the fighters both physically and mentally and 7 days is enough to show both are clean. This is the reason everybody thinks Floyd is ducking and that is the honest truth because Floyd is making it difficult in asking for a test that needs to be studied and tailor made for this particular sport.

[The Gambler1981]

A drug that takes away the pain to allow a guy to train longer than he normally would without it,

doesn't change the overall training time?

In what world?

It is local so it only takes pain away in a very small area like the hands.

You saying that pain in the hands would stop him from say swimming? He would be a different fighter in the ring but his athletic level would still be similar.

[The Gambler1981]

Every sport is different. There have been experts including conte that say that even 14 days is good. Why push the issue when some experts have said testing too close to the fight could be dangerous fighters risking hematoma and other things. There has to be something tailor made for boxing, I don't think 0 days is proper for boxing if your were to ask me. There was a reason they stopped 18 days before Floyd and Mosley fight. What reason is there to test all the way to the fight if it could affect the fighters both physically and mentally and 7 days is enough to show both are clean. This is the reason everybody thinks Floyd is ducking and that is the honest truth because Floyd is making it difficult

Then let the experts (USADA) decide~ if there was a fight and they stopped 18 days short I am sure there was no reason to go on, then this debate is over.

[Alibata]

Then let the experts (USADA) decide~

Tell me something. If 7 days can prove that both fighters are clean, why the need to go all the way except to back the paranoia of Mayweather. Doctors have said that testing too close to the fight could be dangerous as if boxing was not a dangerous sport already. Something has to be tailor made for the sport and just because Floyd is paranoid and wants it his way, don't make it proper for boxing. He ducked manny, the world see is that way because it is unreasonable to go on vacation when people know Manny is willing to do a test that will prove he is clean.

[The Gambler1981]

Tell me something. If 7 days can prove that both fighters are clean, why the need to go all the way except to back the paranoia of Mayweather. Doctors have said that testing too close to the fight could be dangerous as if boxing was not a dangerous sport already. Something has to be tailor made for the sport and just because Floyd is paranoid and wants it his way. He ducked manny, the world see is that way because it is unreasonable to go on vacation when people know Manny is willing to do a test that will prove he is clean.

It should be up to the testers to decide that. If everything is cool it should all be no big deal and I doubt there would be any real issues.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I don't think we're on the same page. The question remains. Is the current system the best out there? It doesn't matter that it has been in place for a long time. Slavery was in place for hundreds of years in this country and it didn't make it anymore valid.

Yes, when baseball did implement its system, it tested all players. But this didn't come up until a few OUT OF ALL were targeted. All it took is for one player to come under su****ion to change the system. Whether Manny is on them or not, the system is not the best out there.

It's not a matter about "extra testing." It's a matter of BETTER TESTING. Just the fact that it never "comes up" is a problem. Like I said, if OST is the best out there, why not use it?

I'm not one to say whether the current system is the best. However, the facts remain, when Floyd fought Marquez, the system was just fine, and nobody within their camp, had any problems with the current system as it was and is. Their whole stance about the system not being up to par came from the Mayweather camp.


Why didn't they question the status of the system when Floyds career started? They're the Mayweathers and have been a part of pro boxing since the mid 70s. According to them, anyone who isn't a boxer, doesn't know s hit about it. So, why didn't they start all of this b itching and moaning then? They could have made a big enough stink back in the 80s when Floyd Sr., Roger and Jeff were all fighting. They could have brought it to the forefront back when Floyd Jr., started his career.

But they didn't. And nobody knows why. Could it be that they were also a part of the problem? Or could it be, that this whole fiasco was a way to discredit a fighter who was more exciting, just as fast, with power, and a threat to the Mayweathers prodigy? 40 fights and never a word about how bad the system was, not even when Floyd fought twice in Texas.

This isn't about better testing, its about ducking a fighter who poses a threat. We seen it when Floyd made excuses about Margarito and Cotto. Then he retired just as they faced off and the boxing world would have been on his a ss to face the winner. Now, Pac agrees to his demands, and he isn't thinking about boxing and goes on vacation. This is what its about, bottom line. Its never been about better testing or the system being flawed because the Mayweathers have been fighting under that same system for over 30 years and never raised a stink about it.

In regards to baseball,

as you said, all were tested, even if because a few or one player was under su****ion.

Not just one.

In regards to your last question,

because OST is full of s hit and everyone knows it. If its not year round, whats the point?


When the commissions and sanctioning bodies make it mandatory for all fights,

I have no problems with it.

Apparently, Floyd and GBP haven't even written anyone in regards to getting the ball rolling in cleaning up the sport.

[Alibata]

It should be up to the testers to decide that. If everything is cool it should all be no big deal and I doubt there would be any real issues.

USDA was just plunged into pro boxing because of one mans Paranoia. Why should it be USDA to decide just because Floyd wants it his way. why not get together with the commission and see what is good for boxing, what is adequate. If Manny listens to the doctors who say it would be dangerous to test too close to the fight would it be right to force him to do it the way floyd wants because Floyd says so?

[4773Y350NM3]

That doesn't change his athletic level though, that is what PED are about.

are talking about boxing? or marathon? boxing includes hitting, and for floyd he need xylocaine to do so in long period of time. you talking out of your ass boy. dumb *****s.

[The Gambler1981]

USDA was just plunged into pro boxing because of one mans Paranoia. Why should it be USDA to decide just because Floyd wants it his way. why not get together with the commission and see what is good for boxing, what is adequate. If Manny listens to the doctors who say it would be dangerous to test too close to the fight would it be right to force him to do it the way floyd wants because Floyd says so.

USADA is the U.S. Anti Dopin Agency a govenrment sponspored entity. They ae incharge of Anti-doping in the US. Using anyone but them is going for lesser standards, they are the true experts (any Dr. can be found to say whatever if you pay them enough).

Floyd can not dictate to them nor tell them what to do, it is their way or the highway. Which is how it should be with athletes and testing.

I fail to see why there is such an issue just to let them do it.