Where are the HGH experts now?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Its 2010. Regardless of who requests the testing, I'm flabbergasted at how many people would rather hide behind their disdain for one fighter than support testing for performance enhancing drugs. If people riding a bike are getting tested (and busted) for enhancers, I wouldn't object to guys beating each other in the head for a living are tested. I guess its cooler to call Floyd Sr a crackhead than be a sincere fan of the sport and not just fans of its participants.

I guess I must not have noticed that all fighters, in all bouts are getting tested now.

Damn, where have I been?

[Vasyl’s dad]

What are you still doing in this thread? Unless you have some rebuttal for me beyond what you posted.

Rebuttal? To what?

Floyd uses xylocaine,

a PED,

and he wants a cleaner sport.

Why is he being a hypocrite?

[STRUGG]

dont feed the *****s...............youll end up dumber................they have that kind of effect..............

[Alibata]

Common sense tells me that the true power that unannounced testing has is that it acts as a deterrent to athletes putting stuff into their bodies because they will never know when testing will pop up. With the current procedures, fighters know when they will be tested and they are just mere urine tests. Like I said, the commissions even think their system needs to be revamped, which points to structural problems.

But doesn't common sense tell you, if you know boxing, that 7 days before a fight is a tapering down period. For those genuinely concerned that it will affect them in the fight (blood testing), this gives them time to mentally erase the effects. In 7 days and 1 after the fight, specially in boxing, it is sufficient to assume that nobody in their right mind would do PEDs nor would it be effective anyway. If they were going to tailor an OST program for boxing this should be sufficient. What Floyd wants is tailor made for his paranoia not boxing.

[viperz007]

When did I say that?

I take it that english is your second language so I won't talk shit and assume there is some barrier.

Manny is the only person who can clean up this issue for himself and he made this mess for himself. It sucks for him that in this day and age athletes are NEVER to be trusted on this issue.

Floyd was willing to get tested and has in the past (which they use as a comparison making the testing mroe effective) while Manny still has not agreed to OST even when he could have just done it on his own with no say from Floyd to clean up this whole mess. He has still yet to do that.

dude if i was manny dude and i have that feeling that it will weaken me taking blood test too close to the fight i wont be as dumb as u to take that risk dude, and i wont let u if u were floyd i wont let u tell me wat to do,

i will go on and tell u to grow some balls and fight me, are u too scared to fight me without that OST???
theres only two possibilities that people will think
1. me being scared of being tested
2. while u being scared to fight me lol

id rather stick to that than taking that risk of being weaken by the blood test and take my only opportunity to whoop ur arse with a 100% mentally and physically condition

i want to be there 100% with u coz i want to put on the canvas ur gay dumb arse face!

[The Evil 1-2]

When the testing is standard, across the board for all boxers, just as it is in every other sport for their competitors, I have no problem with it.

When its just for one person,

its a witch hunt, plain and simple, especially when the whole matter is started because of a father of a potential opponent, and instigated further by a promotional company who wanted that one person.

Funny how now, neither Mayweather, nor Golden Boy Promotions fighters are doing any year round testing.


When Manny refuses to take tests as required by the state commissions, then I'll have a problem with how he goes into his bouts.

Just because the current system is "ACROSS THE BOARD" doesn't make it anymore valid. Baseball went through this problem and they finally changed their system.

Like I stated before, let's remove the Mayweathers out of the equation and argue whether people think that the current procedures are doing all they can to ensure that fighters are clean? Conventional wisdom says no, when there is OST out there.

[The Gambler1981]

Rebuttal? To what?

Floyd uses xylocaine,

a PED,

and he wants a cleaner sport.

Why is he being a hypocrite?

You still haven't explained how a local pain killer is a PED.

He can train and reach a similar level of fitness without it, his boxing would suffer but pain killers are allowed in training for this reason.

It does not allow him to reach some higher plane that people could not otherwise reach.

If someone uses a PED they will reach a level beyond what they are capable of.

That is a big difference, which is why you are wrong.

[The Gambler1981]

dude if i was manny dude and i have that feeling that it will weaken me taking blood test too close to the fight i wont be as dumb as u to take that risk dude, and i wont let u if u were floyd i wont let u tell me wat to do,

i will go on and tell u to grow some balls and fight me, are u too scared to fight me without that OST???
theres only two possibilities that people will think
1. me being scared of being tested
2. while u being scared to fight me lol

id rather stick to that than taking that risk of being weaken by the blood test and take my only opportunity to whoop ur arse with a 100% mentally and physically condition

i want to be there 100% with u coz i want to put on the canvas ur gay dumb arse face!

You would get the exact same reaction taht Manny is getting, in this day and age in athletics (of any kind) a stance such is this makes one look terrible.

I still refuse to believe Manny is that mentally weak that such a small thing could effect him on such a level.

If I think someone is cheating and they challenge me to a fight I call them on their cheating and they refuse to get tested what am I suppose to think. That would certainly not amke me want to fight them, infact it would make me want to see them tested no matter what or there would never be a fight.

[champ_kw]

Has it even crossed your mind that this is a more natural weight for manny that is why he is better. If you look @ Cotto at 140 compared to 147. Look at the tail of the tape between him and his opponents. Even at the lighter weights. You seem to be one of those who look at something without even looking why he could be and just jump into accusing or thinking the worst about a person.

Your theory adds more credence to my opinion. He's only had 7 of his 50 plus fights at 135 and above, which according to you is his optimum weight. So again, a 30 plus year old man who started as a malnutritioned 16 year old and spent 90% of his career killing himself in the gym to make a weight that's not his real weight should be this fresh, endured,and powerful?

[Alibata]

You still haven't explained how a local pain killer is a PED.

He can train and reach a similar level of fitness without it, his boxing would suffer but pain killers are allowed in training for this reason.

It does not allow him to reach some higher plane that people could not otherwise reach.

If someone uses a PED they will reach a level beyond what they are capable of.

That is a big difference, which is why you are wrong.

You think it is possible in 7 days. Everyone agrees Pac said yes to 7, I think it is 0 but lets use 7. Is is it possible to get the performance out of Peds when you are taprering down for a fight. Is it a risk for a detection if you are willing to take a test immediately after a fight. Like I said, the OST floyd wants is tailor made for his paranoia not for boxing.