Where are the HGH experts now?

[viperz007]

You would get the exact same reaction taht Manny is getting, in this day and age in athletics (of any kind) a stance such is this makes one look terrible.

I still refuse to believe Manny is that mentally weak that such a small thing could effect him on such a level.

If I think someone is cheating and they challenge me to a fight I call them on their cheating and they refuse to get tested what am I suppose to think. That would certainly not amke me want to fight them, infact it would make me want to see them tested no matter what or there would never be a fight.

u just pretended as floyd on that statement :/// guess thats laughable too?

dude just think about this

i can pretend to be any of them and it will only result with one of them is scared and you know who?? floyd

here if i was pac i can understand his reason coz if i was him i wont let my performance to be affected to whoop ur arse

but with floyd if i was floyd i cant understand why the heck would i go on vacation to stop this big fight that all my fans wanted to whoop mannys ass?? even u as floyd fans wanted that right? or maybe u want to save his d!ck so u can still sack it???

i cant understand why would he not take that fight without OST??? is he scared of mannys power that he thinks it might kill him???
i was him ill take that fight without it to prove that i can beat anyone even if they are on a superhuman drugs.

i cant understand why wouldnt he take 7 days :///

i cant understand why would people like u root for gay boxers such as floyds type??

but yah ur right thats just him and i cant blame him for acting chicken coz he is a chicken

if i was floyd ill beat manny now then people forget about that midget and my name will be written in history as the MAN,

i dont want to be remembered as someone who was scared of someones power, and that someone so happen to be a midget lollll thats just shameful

but ya i guess floyd is okay being remembered like that right?
so are u if u were floyd???

[MindBat]

The experts say is most fighters won't use HGH because it's not as effective as other forms of PED's used mainly for quicker recovery time.

So even if Manny or any other fighter was on any PED's, they would use them for quicker recovery time and improved stamina.

[The Evil 1-2]

I'm not one to say whether the current system is the best. However, the facts remain, when Floyd fought Marquez, the system was just fine, and nobody within their camp, had any problems with the current system as it was and is. Their whole stance about the system not being up to par came from the Mayweather camp.


Why didn't they question the status of the system when Floyds career started? They're the Mayweathers and have been a part of pro boxing since the mid 70s. According to them, anyone who isn't a boxer, doesn't know s hit about it. So, why didn't they start all of this b itching and moaning then? They could have made a big enough stink back in the 80s when Floyd Sr., Roger and Jeff were all fighting. They could have brought it to the forefront back when Floyd Jr., started his career.

But they didn't. And nobody knows why. Could it be that they were also a part of the problem? Or could it be, that this whole fiasco was a way to discredit a fighter who was more exciting, just as fast, with power, and a threat to the Mayweathers prodigy? 40 fights and never a word about how bad the system was, not even when Floyd fought twice in Texas.

This isn't about better testing, its about ducking a fighter who poses a threat. We seen it when Floyd made excuses about Margarito and Cotto. Then he retired just as they faced off and the boxing world would have been on his a ss to face the winner. Now, Pac agrees to his demands, and he isn't thinking about boxing and goes on vacation. This is what its about, bottom line. Its never been about better testing or the system being flawed because the Mayweathers have been fighting under that same system for over 30 years and never raised a stink about it.

In regards to baseball,

as you said, all were tested, even if because a few or one player was under su****ion.

Not just one.

In regards to your last question,

because OST is full of s hit and everyone knows it. If its not year round, whats the point?


When the commissions and sanctioning bodies make it mandatory for all fights,

I have no problems with it.

Apparently, Floyd and GBP haven't even written anyone in regards to getting the ball rolling in cleaning up the sport.

Like I said earlier, please remove your dislike for Floyd. You keep telling me about Floyd's agenda as if I'm some JoyBoy. Why does Floyd's agenda have any bearing on the issue at hand. The issue at hand is whether the system is the best that can be put in place? AGAIN, IT'S NOT FULL-PROOF, but it's the best we can do.

You state that you're "not the one to say whether the current system is the best." But in the very same breath, you say the "OST IF FULL OF S HIT AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT." How come you are placing judgment on one system and not the other?

As for the baseball situation, I DID SAY THAT THEY STARTED TESTING ALL PLAYERS. That's not the point. You keep implying that Manny shouldn't be the target of su****ion to get a better system put in place. HOWEVER, that's how it was for baseball. McGwire was the FIRST to be put under su****ion, which got the ball rolling. It didn't matter that he was on them or not at the time, but it made the baseball authorities REALIZE THAT THEIR SYSTEM MAY NOT BE ADEQUATE ENOUGH. It just so happenes that McGwire ended being on them in the end.

[The Gambler1981]

are talking about boxing? or marathon? boxing includes hitting, and for floyd he need xylocaine to do so in long period of time. you talking out of your ass boy. dumb *****s.

this is about him being an athlete, he has an athletic level (his body will only allow him to train so much) but he can use many means to reach peak fitness.

Would he be a different fighter yes, but he would be a similar athlete.

PED change what level of athlete you can be~


Hence why those are just painkillers and not PED because it does not change the level of fitness he reaches just changes the type of training he can do.

Also keep in mind pain is there for a reason if you use a painkiller as a PED you are very likely to **** your own body up because you could no longer tell when you were being pushed to far.

On fightnight I see it's utility but for training?

[The Gambler1981]

u just pretended as floyd on that statement :/// guess thats laughable too?

dude just think about this

i can pretend to be any of them and it will only result with one of them is scared and you know who?? floyd

here if i was pac i can understand his reason coz if i was him i wont let my performance to be affected to whoop ur arse

but with floyd if i was floyd i cant understand why the heck would i go on vacation to stop this big fight that all my fans wanted to whoop mannys ass?? even u as floyd fans wanted that right? or maybe u want to save his d!ck so u can still sack it???

i cant understand why would he not take that fight without OST??? is he scared of mannys power that he thinks it might kill him???
i was him ill take that fight without it to prove that i can beat anyone even if they are on a superhuman drugs.

i cant understand why wouldnt he take 7 days :///

i cant understand why would people like u root for gay boxers such as floyds type??

but yah ur right thats just him and i cant blame him for acting chicken coz he is a chicken

if i was floyd ill beat manny now then people forget about that midget and my name will be written in history as the MAN,

i dont want to be remembered as someone who was scared of someones power, and that someone so happen to be a midget lollll thats just shameful

but ya i guess floyd is okay being remembered like that right?
so are u if u were floyd???

I said I that whole statement meaning that iss how I think not how Floyd thinks.

You said if you were Floyd would would do this and that, but you aren't Floyd and by no means understand who he really is.

[Alibata]

USADA is the U.S. Anti Dopin Agency a govenrment sponspored entity. They ae incharge of Anti-doping in the US. Using anyone but them is going for lesser standards, they are the true experts (any Dr. can be found to say whatever if you pay them enough).

Floyd can not dictate to them nor tell them what to do, it is their way or the highway. Which is how it should be with athletes and testing.

I fail to see why there is such an issue just to let them do it.

Wow you have a response to everything. You are trying too hard bro, it is distorting your arguments. In a sport that has been doing things the same way for years and years, to introduce something new because of 1 mans fears then trying to impose it on another man is more complicated then you try to make it seem. I doubt Pacquiao paid any doctors to say that, I doubt Conte saying 14 days is adequate is a result of getting paid, I am sure Pacquiao who is superstitious has his apprehensions about testing so close to the fight. There are legitimate concerns and valid opinions on the matter and just because Floyd says so does not make it right nor does it making USDA the foremost authority on testing boxers. Just because Floyd is paranoid don't mean Manny should jump in and do what he wants if he has concerns about his health or his mental state going into the ring. There is not to many precedents for it. 7 days was a compromise (I still think Manny agreed to 0), people agree it is sufficient, they agreed that 14 days was sufficient. The ball is definitely on floyds court and if you don't see that, it is because you are a *****.

[megadeth]

where are those people that said pac is using hgh to bulk up, or gain muscles to go up in weight???
does those people say pacquiao aint using it on this fight coz he weigh around 144lb?

dang they just got owned after the weigh in

steroids
HGH
what a bunch of ****** MORe Ons

just cant stop discrediting the guy who gives exciting fights and bring back boxing to the top :///

now they have a new topic to discredit the guy(pac)
calling the guy a cheat for going so low on weight againts a much bigger and stronger opponent??? are those people serious???

While I am not accusing Pac of anything, if you are saying that, because Manny came in at 144, that is proof that he is not or never has been on anything, well, your conclusion is just silly.

HGH is BARELY anabolic when used alone. Add and androgen and or insulin or SARM to the mix & that is a different story. I don't know what to make of Pac to be honest. I think he is a very good fighter, but I just don't know how to explain him growing in power while maintaining almost all his speed over that many weight classes. When you compare him to others that have moved up in weight he is the only one that I know of that has increased his KO power while moving up over more than 2-3 weight classes. If you think of the people that have moved up over multiple weight classes, (Leonard, Hearns, Jones, ODLH), it just makes me scratch my head and think...hmmm. Not to mention the fact that Roach has had 2 ferent guys under his tutelage test positive for steroids, that Alex Ariza has a checkered past when it comes to PED's AND the fact that they had so many different excuses why not to take a drug test, not to mention wanting to know when it was coming, should make anyone in this day in age at least a little su****ious. If u aren't then u aren't impartial in the slightest bit.

[The Gambler1981]

Wow you have a response to everything. You are trying too hard bro, it is distorting your arguments. In a sport that has been doing things the same way for years and years, to introduce something new because of 1 mans fears then trying to impose it on another man is more complicated then you try to make it seem. I doubt Pacquiao paid any doctors to say that, I doubt Conte saying 14 days is adequate is a result of getting paid, I am sure Pacquiao who is superstitious has his apprehensions about testing so close to the fight. There are legitimate concerns and valid opinions on the matter and just because Floyd says so does not make it right nor does it making USDA the foremost authority on testing boxers. Just because Floyd is paranoid don't mean Manny should jump in and do what he wants if he has concerns about his health or his mental state going into the ring. There is not to many precedents for it. 7 days was a compromise (I still think Manny agreed to 0), people agree it is sufficient, they agreed that 14 days was sufficient. The ball is definitely on floyds court and if you don't see that, it is because you are a *****.

It isn't hurting my arguement.


Like I said let the experts USADA handle it and it is settled, I doubt they test into the last week unless they are going to cancle the fight so why make a such a big deal over that last seven days.

You look at the last seven days as meaningless, I don't think they mean that much but if someone thinks it is impoortant enough to argue for those 7 days after fighting for so long over testing I would not be willing to move because to me you never ask for something meaningless so if they are asking to them it means something.


Like I said let the experts deal with it and decide, there should be zero problem with either side on that.

[Reloaded]

Wow you have a response to everything. You are trying too hard bro, it is distorting your arguments. In a sport that has been doing things the same way for years and years, to introduce something new because of 1 mans fears then trying to impose it on another man is more complicated then you try to make it seem. I doubt Pacquiao paid any doctors to say that, I doubt Conte saying 14 days is adequate is a result of getting paid, I am sure Pacquiao who is superstitious has his apprehensions about testing so close to the fight. There are legitimate concerns and valid opinions on the matter and just because Floyd says so does not make it right nor does it making USDA the foremost authority on testing boxers. Just because Floyd is paranoid don't mean Manny should jump in and do what he wants if he has concerns about his health or his mental state going into the ring. There is not to many precedents for it. 7 days was a compromise (I still think Manny agreed to 0), people agree it is sufficient, they agreed that 14 days was sufficient. The ball is definitely on floyds court and if you don't see that, it is because you are a *****.

*******s agree its sufficiant , but they agree on anything Pac does , the experts say no prior known cutt of or it undermines the entire process .

If Pac does agree to no cutt of random testing the ball is in Floyds court , if Manny does not agree it means Manny is still ***ing around with a test designed to stop cheating , in that Manny is wrong , this should never have been dragged like this , Manny should have said no problems in March , he brought an avalanche of su****ion upon himself by playing around with PEDS testing , no athlete should try and water down PEDS testing , its against the entire world sporting movement for better testing .

[champ_kw]

I am amazed at some peoples disdain for Floyd. Why bury your heads in the sand over an issue that's permeated each and every sport from Football, MMA, Baseball, to Cycling. We can go around and around about who and why this was brought to the table in negotiations, but the fact still remains. Its the times we live in. The fact that we're mere hours away from the fight and we're pushing 20 plus pages on this issue leads me to believe deep down you guys feel the need to defend Pac's rumored drug use based on an honest possibility that it may be true. I hope he's clean, but I'm not gonna pretend like this doesn't seem odd in a world full of lacefront wigs, butt injections, botox, and whatnot. I rather he prove he's not on it versus me blindly believing him and his team. I'm sorry. That's just me.