Where are the HGH experts now?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Just because the current system is "ACROSS THE BOARD" doesn't make it anymore valid. Baseball went through this problem and they finally changed their system.

Like I stated before, let's remove the Mayweathers out of the equation and argue whether people think that the current procedures are doing all they can to ensure that fighters are clean? Conventional wisdom says no, when there is OST out there.

Did baseball just test a few players when it implemented their system,

or all of them?


Lets remove Manny out of the equation.

Does this extra testing matter ever come up?

[4773Y350NM3]

You still haven't explained how a local pain killer is a PED.

He can train and reach a similar level of fitness without it, his boxing would suffer but pain killers are allowed in training for this reason.

It does not allow him to reach some higher plane that people could not otherwise reach.

If someone uses a PED they will reach a level beyond what they are capable of.

That is a big difference, which is why you are wrong.

you just said ped makes fighter train much longer right? why you think floyd is using xylocaine? for him to train much longer. he's known for having a brittle hand without he cant be as good as he is now.

For floyd a pain killer like xylocaine is become a ped in a sense. duh

[The Evil 1-2]

But doesn't common sense tell you, if you know boxing, that 7 days before a fight is a tapering down period. For those genuinely concerned that it will affect them in the fight (blood testing), this gives them time to mentally erase the effects. In 7 days and 1 after the fight, specially in boxing, it is sufficient to assume that nobody in their right mind would do PEDs nor would it be effective anyway. If they were going to tailor an OST program for boxing this should be sufficient. What Floyd wants is tailor made for his paranoia not boxing.

I hear you. But at the same time, it still doesn't change the fact that unannounced testing which is in OST acts as a deterrent. If one knows when it will end, it removes the element of surprise and fighters can adjust accordingly. It's not about taking the PEDs within the last week before the bout, but cycling in a manner that will ensure peak conditioning and strength during that time. With the end of your point, you do say, "if they were going to tailor an OST program for boxing this should sufficient." So we do agree that the current system needs changing; that's all I'm trying to get across. Can boxing put in place a better system and you and me both agree that it should.

[Vasyl’s dad]

You still haven't explained how a local pain killer is a PED.

He can train and reach a similar level of fitness without it, his boxing would suffer but pain killers are allowed in training for this reason.

It does not allow him to reach some higher plane that people could not otherwise reach.

If someone uses a PED they will reach a level beyond what they are capable of.

That is a big difference, which is why you are wrong.

I've explained numerous times how xylocaine is a performance enhancer in this thread.


Floyd has used them, but you don't want to admit he uses PEDs.

But, you want Manny, and Manny only to take extra testing as required by the Floyd commission.

Yes, we're all laughing at you and others in your little Floyd world.

[American Dream]

Then stop crying about people speculating about the possibility of Pacquaio taking PED's. Pacquaio could remove all doubt be he refuses to do so.......

No you *******s are hilarious. If Manny just agreed to the testing this wouldn't be a big deal to anyone, including you! So when he disagreed people started crying and making excuses as to why he shouldn't have to take the test. If he can make catch weight title fights why can't he agree to random drug testing? He's clean so what's the big deal?

Its 2010. Regardless of who requests the testing, I'm flabbergasted at how many people would rather hide behind their disdain for one fighter than support testing for performance enhancing drugs. If people riding a bike are getting tested (and busted) for enhancers, I wouldn't object to guys beating each other in the head for a living are tested. I guess its cooler to call Floyd Sr a crackhead than be a sincere fan of the sport and not just fans of its participants.

this thread essentially ended with these posts...

You *******s are hopeless.......

much like this thread..this forum just keeps getting worse and worse..

[The Gambler1981]

You think it is possible in 7 days. Everyone agrees Pac said yes to 7, I think it is 0 but lets use 7. Is is it possible to get the performance out of Peds when you are taprering down for a fight. Is it a risk for a detection if you are willing to take a test immediately after a fight. Like I said, the OST floyd wants is tailor made for his paranoia not for boxing.

There sould be no compromises in drug testing, either it is going the whole nine yards or it is inferior.

I trust the experts on when testing needs to occur, I am sure USADA would do something similar to Mayweather-Mosley unless they had reason to believe otherwise (which pretty much means there would be no fight).

So why make a big deal about those last 7 days~ unless you need it.

[The Gambler1981]

I've explained numerous times how xylocaine is a performance enhancer in this thread.


Floyd has used them, but you don't want to admit he uses PEDs.

But, you want Manny, and Manny only to take extra testing as required by the Floyd commission.

Yes, we're all laughing at you and others in your little Floyd world.

So you are calling them a PED because Floyd uses them, that is a good reason.

They allow him to hi the pads more which makes him a better boxer but doesn't change his overall athletic level.

PED changes an athlete beyond what they would be capable of.


I have no issues when fools laugh at me, infact I am glad because it means I am not with the fools.

[Vasyl’s dad]

There sould be no compromises in drug testing, either it is going the whole nine yards or it is inferior.

I trust the experts on when testing needs to occur, I am sure USADA would do something similar to Mayweather-Mosley unless they had reason to believe otherwise (which pretty much means there would be no fight).

So why make a big deal about those last 7 days~ unless you need it.

Interesting that you say that.

Considering you don't have any qualms about every fight in 2010 thats happened without it.

[4773Y350NM3]

talking about a subject that *****s cant comprehend is futile. making all of us stoop to their level. im feeling ****** already just by reading this *****s speak

[Alibata]

Your theory adds more credence to my opinion. He's only had 7 of his 50 plus fights at 135 and above, which according to you is his optimum weight. So again, a 30 plus year old man who started as a malnutritioned 16 year old and spent 90% of his career killing himself in the gym to make a weight that's not his real weight should be this fresh, endured,and powerful?

I ain't paranoid like you bro. I think it is possible, I don't see any reason why it would not be hence only a few people are asking these questions. But yes, if you are fighting at a healthy weight it can only make you better, not that manny was a bad fighter at the lower weights but the tale of the tape shows pac hydrating to the same weight he is now at the lighter weights. You can argue and try to convince yourself all you want that Manny uses Peds but I am a believer in hard work and dedication, that people can achieve great things. I don't try to explain why things cannot be accomplished or why it is impossible. I just see a great man and fighter in Manny. You may see different and try to formulate in you mind why he is not so great but thats you. The rest of the world is inspired.