Where are the HGH experts now?

[The Gambler1981]

dude ur a really bias person LOL

so ur saying his taking that test during the fight weeks u go and ride his d!ck as being the cleanest fighter in the world??? what an arse hole

then accuse someone who doesnt want to take that dang ****** test coz he thinks it might affect his performance during fight????

When did I say that?

I take it that english is your second language so I won't talk shit and assume there is some barrier.

Manny is the only person who can clean up this issue for himself and he made this mess for himself. It sucks for him that in this day and age athletes are NEVER to be trusted on this issue.

Floyd was willing to get tested and has in the past (which they use as a comparison making the testing mroe effective) while Manny still has not agreed to OST even when he could have just done it on his own with no say from Floyd to clean up this whole mess. He has still yet to do that.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Your right, I have no proof. All I have is my opinion. All I know is no one, NO ONE, in the sport of boxing has been 50 plus fights deep into their career and their 8th division, and still maintains his speed, increase is endurance, and increase his power. I refuse to be that blinded by a fighter. Its not that serious for me to go into name calling and whatnot. Just know that in 2010 I support testing, not name calling and funny "he's on vacation" diatribes to avoid the obvious point here.

If you support better testing,

could you point me to all of your posts regarding other fights in the past year that have not had them.

I'd love to read your opinion on the matter.

[The Evil 1-2]

As I said before,

Floyd thought the testing procedures were fine for 40 fights. Then, he gets on the brink of a bout with Manny,

and suddenly its not good enough?


We all see through that.

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Lol, didn't this man beat the current procedures? You see how easy that was? Now get back to the real issue.

The question remains do you think the current testing is enough? LIKE I STATED BEFORE, I know that OST is not full-proof, but it's the most stringent test out there. Why not use it if it is?

[The Gambler1981]

If you support better testing,

could you point me to all of your posts regarding other fights in the past year that have not had them.

I'd love to read your opinion on the matter.

What are you still doing in this thread? Unless you have some rebuttal for me beyond what you posted.

[H.E.R.]

So what, just because it is an unknown on both sides doesn't mean there can't be questions.

So every athlete is taking PEDs because we don't know that they are or aren't. Awesome logic.

The big difference between the two would be that one wants to be tested in the best possible way while the other is still not going that route, when he could easily just say hay Margarito lets take OST and clear this whole issue up on my terms.

Why is Pacquiao going to go through more tests that he doesn't have to when he feels that it weakens him? He's not breaking any rules.

Better yet, why is Mayweather reluctant to take 7 days when he previously offered 14?

[Alibata]

Your right, I have no proof. All I have is my opinion. All I know is no one, NO ONE, in the sport of boxing has been 50 plus fights deep into their career and their 8th division, and still maintains his speed, increase is endurance, and increase his power. I refuse to be that blinded by a fighter. Its not that serious for me to go into name calling and whatnot. Just know that in 2010 I support testing, not name calling and funny "he's on vacation" diatribes to avoid the obvious point here.

Has it even crossed your mind that this is a more natural weight for manny that is why he is better. If you look @ Cotto at 140 compared to 147. Look at the tail of the tape between him and his opponents. Even at the lighter weights. You seem to be one of those who look at something without even looking why he could be and just jump into accusing or thinking the worst about a person.

[champ_kw]

Did one guy in baseball get tested, or all of them?

Did one guy in cycling get tested, or all of them?

Did one athlete in the Olympics get tested, or all of them?


When this form of testing gets set across the board and not just for a particular fighter, then you'll see people agreeing with it. As it is, the guy who supposedly wanted a "cleaner sport" doesn't even require the testing for fighters under his own banner. The promotional company who sided with Floyd about this extra testing, Golden Boy Promotions, doesn't require any of their fights to have extra testing.

So based on that, along with having no factual basis for requiring these tests in the first place,

who are Floyd and GBP to ask Manny or any fighter to go above and beyond the commissions required testing if they don't even do year round testing themselves?


Don't worry, I don't expect an answer.


Btw, I form my own opinions. This OST crap, was just another in the long line of excuses for Floyd not to face a top tier welter. We saw it with Margarito and Cotto as well. "he has 4 losses, nobody knows him" "He needs to get his PPVs up".

Its 2010. Regardless of who requests the testing, I'm flabbergasted at how many people would rather hide behind their disdain for one fighter than support testing for performance enhancing drugs. If people riding a bike are getting tested (and busted) for enhancers, I wouldn't object to guys beating each other in the head for a living are tested. I guess its cooler to call Floyd Sr a crackhead than be a sincere fan of the sport and not just fans of its participants.

[The Gambler1981]

So every athlete is taking PEDs because we don't know that they are or aren't. Awesome logic.



Why is Pacquiao going to go through more tests that he doesn't have to when he feels that it weakens him? He's not breaking any rules.

Better yet, why is Mayweather reluctant to take 7 days when he previously offered 14?

Sorry I don't trust any athletes when it comes to PED, and if you refuse any sort of testing that is a huge red flag.

I fail to see how athletes in this day and age when PED are all over sport deserve that kind of trust.

[The Evil 1-2]

7 days (1 after fight) - 0 days. Does it make difference. Use your common sense, I know you have it. All biases aside, does it make a difference?

Common sense tells me that the true power that unannounced testing has is that it acts as a deterrent to athletes putting stuff into their bodies because they will never know when testing will pop up. With the current procedures, fighters know when they will be tested and they are just mere urine tests. Like I said, the commissions even think their system needs to be revamped, which points to structural problems.

[Vasyl’s dad]

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Lol, didn't this man beat the current procedures? You see how easy that was? Now get back to the real issue.

The question remains do you think the current testing is enough? LIKE I STATED BEFORE, I know that OST is not full-proof, but it's the most stringent test out there. Why not use it if it is?

When the testing is standard, across the board for all boxers, just as it is in every other sport for their competitors, I have no problem with it.

When its just for one person,

its a witch hunt, plain and simple, especially when the whole matter is started because of a father of a potential opponent, and instigated further by a promotional company who wanted that one person.

Funny how now, neither Mayweather, nor Golden Boy Promotions fighters are doing any year round testing.


When Manny refuses to take tests as required by the state commissions, then I'll have a problem with how he goes into his bouts.