Vitali Klitschko has no mercy

[Die Antwoord]

I feel like in the end of the Gomez fight when gomez turned his back and Vitali was just pummelling his face that he looked to the ref. I also feel like at the end of Sanders he turned a bit as well.

[Tiozzo]

I actually think it is absurd to ask why a fighter didn't ask for the fight to get stopped.

I think when a fighter does it should be giving props for the class act.

But, I don't think if a fighter doesn't do it then doesn't mean he doesn't have class. It just means he is doing his job.

So IMO yes you're going to far and your claim is kind of absurd to ask for every fighter(Which seems that you're only asking this from Vitaly not every fighter) to do the job of the ref/corner/dr.

you force me to repeat myself

again, I have countered such an argument in a previous reply

Vitali knew what he was up against, he cherry picked a dead man walking, he knew he would put a severe beating on Briggs when he signed the contract

hence, it would have been the least he could do to give a little signal to the ref that Briggs was taking too much punishment and that the fight needed to be stopped

but no, Vitali instead moved on with his slaughter

from my point of view, Vitali is as responsible as the corner men and the ref for not showing the absurdity of letting such a slaughter go on

he chose not to send a signal and continue to beat up a defensless man like a true warrior



it is not right to handpick a bum, get him in that ring and punish him for 12 rounds, it is atrocious

[jrosales13]

you force me to repeat myself

again, I have countered such an argument in a previous reply

Vitali knew what he was up against, he cherry picked a dead man walking, he knew he would put a severe beating on Briggs when he signed the contract

hence, it would have been the least he could do to give a little signal to the ref that Briggs was taking too much punishment and that the fight needed to be stopped

but no, Vitali instead moved on with his slaughter

from my point of view, Vitali is as responsible as the corner men and the ref for not showing the absurdity of letting such a slaughter go on

he chose not to send a signal and continue to beat up a defensless man like a true warrior



it is not right to handpick a bum, get him in that ring and punish him for 12 rounds, it is atrocious

Yes Vitaly fought Briggs who had no business in the ring with him. No doubt about that.

But, no Vitaly is not responsible for the man health that is the responsibility for the corner/ref/dr.

Vitaly is not the first one to go to slaughter an overmatched, cherrypicked opponent. However, I must say he must be the first to be criticized for not "singling to the ref".

The have been way more fights and even worse than this one and the fighter didn't get criticize, just cuz there have been fighters who done it in the past doesn't meat every one should/would do it. In a perfect world maybe but not in the real world

At the end the only thing Vitaly did wrong is chose Briggs as an opponent. But, in the ring he did nothing worng. He did his job, it is not his responsibility.

[Tiozzo]

I feel like in the end of the Gomez fight when gomez turned his back and Vitali was just pummelling his face that he looked to the ref. I also feel like at the end of Sanders he turned a bit as well.

yes and no




Vitali actually hit Gomez twice when Gomez had his back turned on him
(most fighters stop punching usually)

then, after those 2 shots, he stopped, but he never looks like a man who's saying yeah, he's had enough, he stops because Gomez has turned his back on him (and only after landing those 2 more shots)

as for Sanders, **** no



Vitali was still teeing off on Sanders when the ref jumped in

I'm just replying to your claim as I think it is not correct, but since Sanders and Gomez were still fighting back, I have no problem with the fact that Vitali was looking to knock them out and kept on fighting

[Spray_resistant]

you should read my post again

yes I can blame Vitali, because he was teeing off on a dead man, a shot man he cherry picked, he put his health in danger, and at no point in the fight did he signal to the ref that it was enough like other champions did in the past

Vitali's job is to go in there and fight not to worry about the safety of his opponent, Briggs is a grown man and knew what he signed up for. If Briggs had had enough even though neither his corner or the ref stopped it, he could have quit any time.

[Tiozzo]

Yes Vitaly fought Briggs who had no business in the ring with him. No doubt about that.

But, no Vitaly is not responsible for the man health that is the responsibility for the corner/ref/dr.

Vitaly is not the first one to go to slaughter an overmatched, cherrypicked opponent. However, I must say he must be the first to be criticized for not "singling to the ref".

The have been way more fights and even worse than this one and the fighter didn't get criticize, just cuz there have been fighters who done it in the past doesn't meat every one should/would do it. In a perfect world maybe but not in the real world

At the end the only thing Vitaly did wrong is chose Briggs as an opponent. But, in the ring he did nothing worng. He did his job, it is not his responsibility.

yet another argument I have countered in a previous post

if the people usually responsible for the fighter's health (namely, the corner men and the ref) aren't taking that responsibility, putting the fighter in real danger in the process, should the fighter dishing out the punishment just keep on punching, and punching, and punching, just as if it was right because the people supposed to stop it aren't stopping it ?

I don't think it is right to keep on punching because nobody is stopping you, it is immoral in fact

I'm 100% sure that Vitali would just have had to stop for a few seconds and look at the ref with a ''there's no point in letting this go on'' look on his face, and the ref would have stopped it when the next clean punch would have landed

from what I've seen, wake up calls do work, and they probably have saved a fighter's health more than once

do you realize the ref will perhaps never work again ? and why is that ?

[Tiozzo]

Vitali's job is to go in there and fight not to worry about the safety of his opponent, Briggs is a grown man and knew what he signed up for. If Briggs had had enough even though neither his corner or the ref stopped it, he could have quit any time.

maybe he was too dazed and confused to quit on his own, as Adamek has suggested

he would also have been branded a quitter like Peter

***btw, I wish you would take that ugly chick off your avatar, there are far better looking women on the net

[jrosales13]

yet another argument I have countered in a previous post

if the people usually responsible for the fighter's health (namely, the corner men and the ref) aren't taking that responsibility, putting the fighter in real danger in the process, should the fighter dishing out the punishment just keep on punching, and punching, and punching, just as if it was right because the people supposed to stop it aren't stopping it ?

I don't think it is right to keep on punching because nobody is stopping you, it is immoral in fact

I'm 100% sure that Vitali would just have had to stop for a few seconds and look at the ref with a ''there's no point in letting this go on'' look on his face, and the ref would have stopped it when the next clean punch would have landed

from what I've seen, wake up calls do work, and they probably have saved a fighter's health more than once

do you realize the ref will perhaps never work again ? and why is that ?

If the ref doesn't work against is just because he is not that good of a ref. Again not Vitaly fault.

Why is Vitaly being criticized for one doing his job and doing it correctly, and for doing what hundreds of other fighters have done yet Vitaly is the only one being criticized?

Yea your argument don't fly here bro.

The only thing he did wrong was fight Briggs and that is it. After that he was in the right.

[Tiozzo]

I don't usually quote Mike Tyson, but this is the hurting business.

it is the hurt business

but it shouldn't be the glorified slaughtering business

as Adamek wisely said, at some point in the fight, it had nothing to do with boxing anymore, it was just an assault, an assult everybody let happen

[Tiozzo]

If the ref doesn't work against is just because he is not that good of a ref. Again not Vitaly fault.

Why is Vitaly being criticized for one doing his job and doing it correctly, and for doing what hundreds of other fighters have done yet Vitaly is the only one being criticized?

Yea your argument don't fly here bro.

The only thing he did wrong was fight Briggs and that is it. After that he was in the right.

if I picked a weakling just starting out in a boxing gym, and let's say I have some good experience, and I know for a fact that I'm going to hurt this kid, would it be right for me to punch him until the trainer stops the sparring, and to punch until he collapses if nobody is responsible enough to stop it ?

I view this fight similarly : you admit Vitali shouldn't have picked Briggs, as it was a mismatch, then how is it right to go on with the beating if nobody is protecting the weakling you picked to fight ???

that is when we're not witnessing boxing anymore, but an assault