My take on the margo-cotto fight

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  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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    #21
    Originally posted by Don LarryX
    Cotto came out boxing and moving backwards(which he really doesnt do)he didnt go to the body nor did he clinch.margo continued to walk him down and the fact that cotto was going backwards took alot of power out of his shots.Cottos stance is talior made for margos uppercuts so Cotto ate them all night and got his nose broken in the 2nd round.As far as plaster i dont really think margo wouldve needed plaster that night(not saying he didnt load his gloves cause i wasnt there)cotto fought the wrong fight against a bigger more durable man...the reason margo looked so bad against mosley is because mosley wouldnt let him get off and he went to the body plus he moved laterally not backwards..it just seems to me cotto gets real uncomfortable when hes the one getting pressured i saw it in the clottey fight as well.as long as cotto is the bully he will look great..but put him in with a bigger bully he kinda of tenses up..

    in my honest opinion i think cotto fought the wrong fight and margo fought the fight of his life that night
    I have seen and heard this analysis a million times and I couldn't disagree more. Styles make fights and Marg is a NIGHTMARE match up style wise for Cotto.

    People say Cotto should have worked the body more, or moved more or boxed more. The problem with those failed theories is that in order to work the body, you need to get inside, prime place for Marg to land his uppercuts.

    Second, in order for Cotto to box and move more, you need the stamina, quickness and slickness to not allow Marg to hit you with shots that will eventually wear you down throughout the fight, Cotto can't do this.

    Cotto's main weakness as a fighter is something that has been said by Roach, Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and even Nacho in interviews and that is that Cotto cannot fight when made to go backwards.

    The reason that Mosley beat Marg was because Mosley fought a smart fight, he decided to box instead of standing there toe to toe the way he did Cotto. I think if Mosley would have been smart and moved and boxed the way he did Marg, he would have UD Cotto rather easily. Instead, the macho in him got the best in him and he decided to stand and trade with Cotto and almost beat Cotto at his own game.

    Sorry but I don't buy the "Cotto fought the wrong fight vs Marg" theory. He was dominating that fight the first 7 of 8 rounds and still couldn't avoid the inevitable, that Marg would not stop coming and would eventually KO him.

    Nothing would change in a rematch unless Marg is not the same fighter and he might not be. A fighter with Marg's style doesn't last very long in the boxing game but while he's here he's fun to watch.

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    • infamous larryx
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      #22
      Originally posted by BoxeoBoriqua
      thats a great take on the fight. always respect a good lil anylization of a boxing fight when i see 1. i just dont believe margarito woke up the day of the mosley fight and decided he needed 2 have plaster wraps in order 2 beat him. he did just fight the fight of his life right??? he should have been riding high and had all the confidence in the world.
      imo...he knew mosley had a cast iron chin and didnt really even wanna take the fight..he wanted to do what he had to do to keep his static in the division and tried to do the unthinkable

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        #23
        Originally posted by Don LarryX
        imo...he knew mosley had a cast iron chin and didnt really even wanna take the fight..he wanted to do what he had to do to keep his static in the division and tried to do the unthinkable
        damn, just like that hes gonna throw all his pride out the window and result 2 cheating???? idk man. i kinda doubt it. respect your opinion though.

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          #24
          Funny thing is that Cotto was very effective fighting backwards for 6 rounds, but what's the major problem that he's had his whole career is his defense, he takes to many shots, he might slip a few from time to time, but most land on his chin. There was no late round rally by Marg, the damage was done round by round, Cotto's nose was broken in the 2nd round. Cotto does fight better pushing his opponents back, and he has a huge heart, but i hope Steward extends his career by tightening up his defense. plaster or no Cotto ate a lot of power punches that night, and to be honest my opinion remains that if Marg had plaster in his gloves he would have killed Cotto and he'd be in jail right now.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Don LarryX
            Cotto came out boxing and moving backwards(which he really doesnt do)he didnt go to the body nor did he clinch.margo continued to walk him down and the fact that cotto was going backwards took alot of power out of his shots.Cottos stance is talior made for margos uppercuts so Cotto ate them all night and got his nose broken in the 2nd round.As far as plaster i dont really think margo wouldve needed plaster that night(not saying he didnt load his gloves cause i wasnt there)cotto fought the wrong fight against a bigger more durable man...the reason margo looked so bad against mosley is because mosley wouldnt let him get off and he went to the body plus he moved laterally not backwards..it just seems to me cotto gets real uncomfortable when hes the one getting pressured i saw it in the clottey fight as well.as long as cotto is the bully he will look great..but put him in with a bigger bully he kinda of tenses up..

            in my honest opinion i think cotto fought the wrong fight and margo fought the fight of his life that night
            Yeah that Uppercut with Plaster is pretty dangerous
            Ive never seen Cotto get so beat up before or since
            he looked bad for the Pac fight but not like that

            Thats why the rematch is key

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              #26
              Originally posted by Chuckguy
              Yeah that Uppercut with Plaster is pretty dangerous
              Ive never seen Cotto get so beat up before or since
              he looked bad for the Pac fight but not like that

              Thats why the rematch is key
              you sure???did you see him after the manny fight???manny ****ed cotto up,and cotto also ****ed manny and margo up aswell

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                #27
                Love how my post is being ignored. I guess it's easier just to make excuses for Cotto than see what really happened in that fight.

                Cotto had the perfect strategy and game plan for not only Marg but for Pac as well. It showed in his early success, the difference is, he couldn't carry it out because of Pac's speed and Marg's pressure.

                Boxing isn't a video game, a mans will, determination and heart will play a big part in the outcome.

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                  #28
                  If Cotto gets backed up he can't win he can't fight backing up at all. But another key reason to why he lost was what you highlighted, his inability to clinch, if he clinched, he could have beaten Margarito that night even if he was wearing plaster, the reason Shane was able to be so dominant was becase of his ability to clinch and not let Margarito be offensive, Shane fought a perfect fight and Cotto fought a terrible fight.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
                    I have seen and heard this analysis a million times and I couldn't disagree more. Styles make fights and Marg is a NIGHTMARE match up style wise for Cotto.

                    People say Cotto should have worked the body more, or moved more or boxed more. The problem with those failed theories is that in order to work the body, you need to get inside, prime place for Marg to land his uppercuts.

                    Second, in order for Cotto to box and move more, you need the stamina, quickness and slickness to not allow Marg to hit you with shots that will eventually wear you down throughout the fight, Cotto can't do this.

                    Cotto's main weakness as a fighter is something that has been said by Roach, Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and even Nacho in interviews and that is that Cotto cannot fight when made to go backwards.

                    The reason that Mosley beat Marg was because Mosley fought a smart fight, he decided to box instead of standing there toe to toe the way he did Cotto. I think if Mosley would have been smart and moved and boxed the way he did Marg, he would have UD Cotto rather easily. Instead, the macho in him got the best in him and he decided to stand and trade with Cotto and almost beat Cotto at his own game.

                    Sorry but I don't buy the "Cotto fought the wrong fight vs Marg" theory. He was dominating that fight the first 7 of 8 rounds and still couldn't avoid the inevitable, that Marg would not stop coming and would eventually KO him.

                    Nothing would change in a rematch unless Marg is not the same fighter and he might not be. A fighter with Marg's style doesn't last very long in the boxing game but while he's here he's fun to watch.
                    I could not disagree more.

                    Cotto can fight going backwards. People think he's only good being this terminator coming forward. Cotto is a good little boxer, has been since his amateur days. If Cotto boxed more, it'd be better for him. Have you seen the Abdullaev fight?

                    Is he great at fighting backwards? No. But it's not like if you make him go backwards you're gonna win. Mosley started pushing him backwards and Cotto got the better of him a lot of the time he was going backwards. The whole he can't fight going backwards thing is a myth brought on by people who haven't watched his entire carer.

                    He did fight the wrong fight against Tony. The difference between Tony and Pac....Cotto doesn't have the tools to beat Pac. He'll never beat Pac. He has the tools to beat Tony, Margarito just exposed Cotto's flaws, but they're tactical flaws that can be fixed.

                    Backing up in straight lines going from corner to corner, these are things that a guy like Steward can help fix. And Mosley didn't "box" Margarito. He slugged it out with him in the middle of the ring and got the best of the exchanges cause of his speed advantage. And when Margarito closed the distance Shane clinched and turned. I wouldn't call that "moving and boxing".

                    Cotto needs tactical adjustments to beat Margarito. And if he is open to learning and adapting, he can definitely beat Margarito.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by savorduhflavor
                      I could not disagree more.

                      Cotto can fight going backwards. People think he's only good being this terminator coming forward. Cotto is a good little boxer, has been since his amateur days. If Cotto boxed more, it'd be better for him. Have you seen the Abdullaev fight?

                      Is he great at fighting backwards? No. But it's not like if you make him go backwards you're gonna win. Mosley started pushing him backwards and Cotto got the better of him a lot of the time he was going backwards. The whole he can't fight going backwards thing is a myth brought on by people who haven't watched his entire carer.

                      He did fight the wrong fight against Tony. The difference between Tony and Pac....Cotto doesn't have the tools to beat Pac. He'll never beat Pac. He has the tools to beat Tony, Margarito just exposed Cotto's flaws, but they're tactical flaws that can be fixed.

                      Backing up in straight lines going from corner to corner, these are things that a guy like Steward can help fix. And Mosley didn't "box" Margarito. He slugged it out with him in the middle of the ring and got the best of the exchanges cause of his speed advantage. And when Margarito closed the distance Shane clinched and turned. I wouldn't call that "moving and boxing".

                      Cotto needs tactical adjustments to beat Margarito. And if he is open to learning and adapting, he can definitely beat Margarito.
                      You didn't read my post, I said Cotto can't fight going backwards when he's FORCED to go backwards. There's a big difference between Abdullaev and Marg.

                      Also, Mosley outboxed Marg, just because he stood in front of him doesn't mean he wasn't boxing. He was countering the jab with his right hand and was moving side to side and clinching when Marg got close. Mosley is a beter fighter than Cotto though and he was smarter than night.

                      Sorry but your theories are proven wrong in the fight outcome. Cotto DOMINATED Marg in rounds 1,3,4,5,6,7.........so how did he not have the right game plan?.....lol

                      He did everything he was supposed to do and carried out the plan to perfection, you want him to stand on the inside and **** with Marg just to throw body shots?

                      His strategy was to box and move and he was doing that perfectly, the difference in the fight was Marg was walking through his shots and punishing Cotto when he had him cornered or on the ropes.

                      There's also a big myth that he wasn't clinching, he tried to clinch, especially after the 5th round or so but Marg was connecting with punishing shots upstairs and downstairs.

                      Those shots wore down Cotto and I see the same thing happening again unless Marg is shot.

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