My take on the margo-cotto fight

[savorduhflavor]

You didn't read my post, I said Cotto can't fight going backwards when he's FORCED to go backwards. There's a big difference between Abdullaev and Marg.

Also, Mosley outboxed Marg, just because he stood in front of him doesn't mean he wasn't boxing. He was countering the jab with his right hand and was moving side to side and clinching when Marg got close. Mosley is a beter fighter than Cotto though and he was smarter than night.

Sorry but your theories are proven wrong in the fight outcome. Cotto DOMINATED Marg in rounds 1,3,4,5,6,7.........so how did he not have the right game plan?.....lol

He did everything he was supposed to do and carried out the plan to perfection, you want him to stand on the inside and **** with Marg just to throw body shots?

His strategy was to box and move and he was doing that perfectly, the difference in the fight was Marg was walking through his shots and punishing Cotto when he had him cornered or on the ropes.

There's also a big myth that he wasn't clinching, he tried to clinch, especially after the 5th round or so but Marg was connecting with punishing shots upstairs and downstairs.

Those shots wore down Cotto and I see the same thing happening again unless Marg is shot.

Because it didn't work. Cotto can't do that long term. Going to the ropes is NOT the right gameplan, under any circumstances. That's where Tony unloads and Cotto landed the flashier punches off the ropes, but Tony did great body work that made it impossible for Cotto to maintain that all fight.

And I give Tony credit for that, and it's easy to say it was the wrong gameplan in hindsight.....but it was. And I think team Cotto can learn from it.

The gameplan worked for the first half of the fight, but the flaws in it showed up later in the fight. That means adjustments have to be made, and I personally think they are adjustments that can be made.

I agree that Tony is a tough style match up for Cotto 10 times out of 10. No question about it. But I think Cotto can beat him, and I think a change of gameplan would greatly benefit him, and the adjustments he would have to make are slight enough to where he could do it.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Because it didn't work. Cotto can't do that long term. Going to the ropes is NOT the right gameplan, under any circumstances. That's where Tony unloads and Cotto landed the flashier punches off the ropes, but Tony did great body work that made it impossible for Cotto to maintain that all fight.

And I give Tony credit for that, and it's easy to say it was the wrong gameplan in hindsight.....but it was. And I think team Cotto can learn from it.

The gameplan worked for the first half of the fight, but the flaws in it showed up later in the fight. That means adjustments have to be made, and I personally think they are adjustments that can be made.

I agree that Tony is a tough style match up for Cotto 10 times out of 10. No question about it. But I think Cotto can beat him, and I think a change of gameplan would greatly benefit him, and the adjustments he would have to make are slight enough to where he could do it.

You are doing what most do when talking about their fighters, instead of giving Marg the credit for the win, you are trying to point out Cotto's flaws.

Like I said though, how can it be the wrong game plan when most had him ahead in the fight going into the 11th round?

In order to beat Marg's style you need to do 2 things, you need to outwork Marg, ala Williams. Williams was big enough to withstand Marg's shots and outworked him even though at the end of the fight, Williams looked worse off than Marg.

Second way to beat Marg is by outboxing him for 12 rounds. This is much tougher because most don't have the stamina too keep Marg oof of them, like Cotto. Cotto was boxing Marg's ears off in that fight, hitting him with clean shot after clean shot, I think you need to re-watch the fight because Cotto hit him with everything but the kitchen sink time and time again.........it was turning into a one sided beating there for a while.

Where Cotto wen't wrong wasn't in his game plan but in his physical fortitude, he couldn't withstand, absorb Marg's shots for enough time to win by decision. It was obvious his shots weren't hurting Marg and he wasn't putting his back to the ropes, HE WAS BEING FORCED ONTO THE ROPES, big difference.

If Cotto beats Marg it's because he all of a sudden inherits Floyd Mayweather's or Pacquaio's skill set and I don't see that happening for a fighter 30 years of age.

[savorduhflavor]

You are doing what most do when talking about their fighters, instead of giving Marg the credit for the win, you are trying to point out Cotto's flaws.

Like I said though, how can it be the wrong game plan when most had him ahead in the fight going into the 11th round?

In order to beat Marg's style you need to do 2 things, you need to outwork Marg, ala Williams. Williams was big enough to withstand Marg's shots and outworked him even though at the end of the fight, Williams looked worse off than Marg.

Second way to beat Marg is by outboxing him for 12 rounds. This is much tougher because most don't have the stamina too keep Marg oof of them, like Cotto. Cotto was boxing Marg's ears off in that fight, hitting him with clean shot after clean shot, I think you need to re-watch the fight because Cotto hit him with everything but the kitchen sink time and time again.........it was turning into a one sided beating there for a while.

Where Cotto wen't wrong wasn't in his game plan but in his physical fortitude, he couldn't withstand, absorb Marg's shots for enough time to win by decision. It was obvious his shots weren't hurting Marg and he wasn't putting his back to the ropes, HE WAS BEING FORCED ONTO THE ROPES, big difference.

If Cotto beats Marg it's because he all of a sudden inherits Floyd Mayweather's or Pacquaio's skill set and I don't see that happening for a fighter 30 years of age.

I literally just said I give Tony credit for his body work, and said this is obviously in hindsight cause of how the fight turned out. And the first thing you say is I don't give him any credit?

He was being forced to the ropes, but there are ways to alleviate the pressure, that don't involve inheriting Floyd or Pac's abilities.

And sure Cotto was hitting him a ton, but he was hitting him going backwards, a lot of steam was taken off his shots cause of that. Again, Marg deserves credit for that cause he was forcing him backwards, but that still doesn't mean that with a different game plan Cotto can't fight in the middle of the ring more, thus amplifying his punches.

But don't tell me I don't give Marg credit. I give Marg more credit for that fight than just about any other Cotto fan, I'm just trying to have a tactical debate about the fight.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I literally just said I give Tony credit for his body work, and said this is obviously in hindsight cause of how the fight turned out. And the first thing you say is I don't give him any credit?

He was being forced to the ropes, but there are ways to alleviate the pressure, that don't involve inheriting Floyd or Pac's abilities.

And sure Cotto was hitting him a ton, but he was hitting him going backwards, a lot of steam was taken off his shots cause of that. Again, Marg deserves credit for that cause he was forcing him backwards, but that still doesn't mean that with a different game plan Cotto can't fight in the middle of the ring more, thus amplifying his punches.

But don't tell me I don't give Marg credit. I give Marg more credit for that fight than just about any other Cotto fan, I'm just trying to have a tactical debate about the fight.

Me too and I appreciate it because you are one of the few people not screaming and insulting, I just think that you are missing the obvious.

I understand in hindsight you can say do this and do that, it's easier said than done but I have watched that fight at least 4 times and I can tell you, Cotto was not just hitting Marg going backwards, he was hitting him with everything he had, flush, power shots that would have KO'd the avg fighter.

Cotto was boxing and moving beautifully in the first 7-8 rounds, he was DESTROYING Marg in the majority of those rounds except in round 2 where Marg landed a shot that buckled Cotto.

Cotto recovered and won the next 7 rounds arguably and I thought even won the 9th and that was a late round to win.

Like I said, I understand you want to try and give Cotto a way to win this fight but just like Junior Jones was a thorn in Barrera's side, I think Marg is Cotto's "Junior Jones", I just don't see anything he can do to beat Marg because if he boxes him, he can't hold on long enough and if he stands and tries to work the body, he leaves himself in range for Marg to maul him.

I have respect for Cotto, he is a much better boxer than Marg but Marg is just too much of an animal for him. Cotto also hasn't gotten any faster, he is getting hit more and more as his career goes on, I don't see him beating Marg on his best day.l

[savorduhflavor]

Me too and I appreciate it because you are one of the few people not screaming and insulting, I just think that you are missing the obvious.

I understand in hindsight you can say do this and do that, it's easier said than done but I have watched that fight at least 4 times and I can tell you, Cotto was not just hitting Marg going backwards, he was hitting him with everything he had, flush, power shots that would have KO'd the avg fighter.

Cotto was boxing and moving beautifully in the first 7-8 rounds, he was DESTROYING Marg in the majority of those rounds except in round 2 where Marg landed a shot that buckled Cotto.

Cotto recovered and won the next 7 rounds arguably and I thought even won the 9th and that was a late round to win.

Like I said, I understand you want to try and give Cotto a way to win this fight but just like Junior Jones was a thorn in Barrera's side, I think Marg is Cotto's "Junior Jones", I just don't see anything he can do to beat Marg because if he boxes him, he can't hold on long enough and if he stands and tries to work the body, he leaves himself in range for Marg to maul him.

I have respect for Cotto, he is a much better boxer than Marg but Marg is just too much of an animal for him. Cotto also hasn't gotten any faster, he is getting hit more and more as his career goes on, I don't see him beating Marg on his best day.l

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think Cotto has to fight the perfect fight, but I definitely think he can beat Margarito.

And Cotto was only landing punches coming forward in the first couple of rounds. As the fight went on he was being backed up a ton, I've probably seen the fight 20 times. He was throwing all arm punches.

But....hopefully we get to see the rematch. Worst case scenario is that it's another freaking classic.

[Jack Napier]

Cotto was in with a guy he couldn't bully
Cotto didn't have the defense or stamina to make boxing laterally stick
Cotto didn't have the power to KO Tony
Cotto got his motherfucking ass kicked fair and square
there is no proof Tony did anything illegal

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Cotto was in with a guy he couldn't bully
Cotto didn't have the defense or stamina to make boxing laterally stick
Cotto didn't have the power to KO Tony
Cotto got his motherfucking ass kicked fair and square
there is no proof Tony did anything illegal

/ of thread.......................

[mzz787]

And yet, everyone who talks highly about margarito still evades the question...if he didn't do anything, WHY THE HELL WAS HE SUSPENDED? WHY WAS CAPETILLO FIRED? Margarito looked HORRIBLE in his last 2 fights..what happened to the margarito who faced cotto on his biggest pay day and most important day of his career? Simply put..the odds were against him, they did what they THOUGHT they had to do...and WON...yes it's over now, and hopefully Pac will finish exposing this fraud of a fighter. People don't get the fact that if he tried to use plaster on an old but skilled fighter..why wouldn't he have tried to use it against an undefeated p4p champion in miguel cotto at the time of their fight. I bet that if Cheato had no loaded gloves, miguel's shots would have been twice as effective.

[Haglerwins]

Margarito did that plaster sht against Paul Williams too. He tore up Williams face and knotted his head in a hurry in those championship rounds, when he was only really digging the body most of that fight.

[STRUGG]

Marg fought the fight of his life .............pity he used plasters..............