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Who would you rank higher All-Time P4P; Duran, Pacquiao, or Chavez

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  • #41
    Originally posted by Mr. Copeland View Post
    I'm just curious as to how anyone can rate Duran higher than Manny P4p all-time?

    I like Duran, but when he went above 154 (his 3rd weight class) he wasn't the same fighter.

    Pacquiao, in his 3rd weight class) dominated an ATG in MAB, and that was just the beginning of his rise to greatness.
    154 was not Duran's third weight class. He started at 118 you douche bag. Try learning something about a fighter before spouting rubbish.

    He's also beaten the better fighters than any of them, fought a greater array of opposition, more HOF'ers, reigned longer, was a greater single weight champion than any.

    One statistic that most don't know or think about: this alone puts him above most. Duran was beating HOFer and great 130 pound champion Ernesto Marcel and thirty years later and fifty pounds higher than where he started he was still beating the top fighters and champions of his time.

    He fought legendary HOFers and top P4P fighters in nearly every weight class he was in. He was the same size as Pacquiao and was beating massive middleweight champions at nearly forty years old.

    Best wins: Duran=Sugar Ray Leonard
    Pacquiao=Barrera
    Chavez=this one is debatable. Taylor, Rosario...maybe.

    Duran takes the cake there pretty easily, especially considering it was in Leonard's peak years at his best weight and Duran's sixth weight class and had been fighting a decade longer.

    As it stands right now I'd probably put Pacquiao and Chavez a very even second with Duran coming in first easily.

    If you think just jumping weight classes equals greatness you are sorely mistaken. In today's weight class/title climate with pre fight day weight ins and five or so titles instead of just two, Duran would have held titles from SBW to SMW pretty easily. Understand the era, understand the fighters and most importantly, know who they fought and what their accomplishments were. Numbers are pretty meaningless when looked at properly. If having jumped weight classes meant everything then Pac is the GOAT and Oscar, and Mayweather are second and third ATG, then Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Jones, Toney etc come in after that.

    Sadly for you, that's not how boxing works. Or does Ottke's 22 title defenses mean greatness?
    Last edited by BennyST; 08-15-2010, 11:08 PM.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by JaguarMNH View Post
      We both made a mistake. Wilde went undefeated in 103 bouts but it wasn't a win streak because he had multiple draws in those 103 bouts. So Chavez still has the longest winning streak but its 87 not 89
      Chavez was done a favor by his manager early in his career when he was DQed but his manager who was part of the Mexican comission got that overturned. I can say to this day Chavez should be thankful of his manager look where it got him.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by NChristo View Post
        Jimmy Wilde went undefeated in 103 bouts.
        He wrote longest winning streak which was actually 87 by JCC in which he won EVERY fight and never drew or lost. In his 88th fight he Draw so that streak came to an end

        Wilde holds the longest unbeaten streak at 103, in which he had several No Contest

        2 VERY different records

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        • #44
          Originally posted by JaguarMNH View Post
          We both made a mistake. Wilde went undefeated in 103 bouts but it wasn't a win streak because he had multiple draws in those 103 bouts. So Chavez still has the longest winning streak but its 87 not 89
          Oh ok, my bad. Thought you meant just without losses.

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          • #45
            Easily
            Duran
            Chavez
            Pacquiao

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            • #46
              Originally posted by BennyST View Post
              154 was not Duran's third weight class. He started at 118 you douche bag. Try learning something about a fighter before spouting rubbish.

              He's also beaten the better fighters than any of them, fought a greater array of opposition, more HOF'ers, reigned longer, was a greater single weight champion than any.

              One statistic that most don't know or think about: this alone puts him above most. Duran was beating HOFer and great 130 pound champion Ernesto Marcel and thirty years later and fifty pounds higher than where he started he was still beating the top fighters and champions of his time.

              He fought legendary HOFers and top P4P fighters in nearly every weight class he was in. He was the same size as Pacquiao and was beating massive middleweight champions at nearly forty years old.

              Best wins: Duran=Sugar Ray Leonard
              Pacquiao=Barrera
              Chavez=this one is debatable. Taylor, Rosario...maybe.

              Duran takes the cake there pretty easily, especially considering it was in Leonard's peak years at his best weight and Duran's sixth weight class and had been fighting a decade longer.

              As it stands right now I'd probably put Pacquiao and Chavez a very even second with Duran coming in first easily.
              How would you see a Duran-Pac going?

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              • #47
                1981-03-04 116 Miguel Ruiz 4-11-1
                Culiacan, Sinaloa, Mexico W KO 1
                "For many years all the leading record books, including both Pugilato and The Ring Record Book, recorded the first loss of Julio Cesar Chavez as being by disqualification....
                This has since been changed to a knockout victory for Chavez, based on confirmation from the local boxing commission in Culiacan that it altered the verdict the following day.
                Ramon Felix, manager of Chavez, happened to be a member of the Culiacan commission at the time."
                The A-Z of World Boxing by Bert Blewett (1996) at p. 341.
                Lol. Chavez famous streak wouldn't and shouldn't of gone that long. This reminds me of Montiel-Valdez a year ago.

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                • #48
                  Its really hard to say, but my gut tells me:

                  Duran

                  Fudge

                  JCC

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Mr. Copeland View Post
                    p4p....

                    1. Manny Pacquuiao (elite SFW, SBW, FW, LW, JW, WW)
                    2. Roberto Duran (elite LW, WW)
                    3. Julio Cesar Chavez (elite JWW)

                    So if this is p4p then it's Manny Pacquiao by a country mile. He has proven himself to be an elite fighter in 6 Different weight classes whereas Duran has been elite in two and Chavez in one.
                    Mike what the hell??

                    lmfao
                    Last edited by B.U.R.N.E.R; 08-15-2010, 11:17 PM.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Viciousz View Post
                      Chavez was done a favor by his manager early in his career when he was DQed but his manager who was part of the Mexican comission got that overturned. I can say to this day Chavez should be thankful of his manager look where it got him.
                      Oh yeah? I never heard about that. How'd he get Dq'd?

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