Why Bernard won, and why Bernard is still the best

[Bombardier]

Yeah I was actually really surprised to hear Hopkins get the 116 from the first judge. Without those rounds it was (and should have been) a draw.

You give Taylor back those two rounds on Roth's card and Hopkins the 12th back on Ford's and it would have been a MD...I don't know, the more I try to analyze this fight the more confused I get .

[riz]

7-5 taylor
its A BIG Stretch to call it a robbery. taylor won 7-2 of the first nine or mayb 9-1. nard took the rest.

[riz]

And Roth gave Hopkins 3 & 4. It wasn't the only judging mistake.

he also gave him 5 i think

so ford was not the only guy to **** up

[King Jaffe Joffer]

7-5 taylor
its A BIG Stretch to call it a robbery. taylor won 7-2 of the first nine or mayb 9-1. nard took the rest.

wow, a casual fan would think Taylor won 9-1

[riz]

dude, im referrin to da fight dat took place on 7-16-05.....last time hopkins stopped punchin before da ref said "break" he ended up on his back, u a nuthugger since u totally throwin out all possibility dat it even was a close fight, even da die hard taylor fans believe da fight was at least close.....get off ****s man and dont ever watch boxing again in ya life, and throw yaself in front of traffic wit a "I Love Taylor" t shirt on...pu$$y

hold on, wasnt hopkins the one who was warned about the low blows, n dirty ****...?

[tracylee]

hold on, wasnt hopkins the one who was warned about the low blows, n dirty ****...?

yes he was, all night long! If nady had done the right thing (instead of showing the 'champ' too much respect) and deducted a pt. or two the scores would have been even more in Taylors favor. Damn, once hop. even hit him in the back of the head with nady standing right there watching! I got damn sick and tired of all the verbal warnings he gave hop. A friend that doesnt watch boxing watched it with me, and I kept my mouth shut the whole time (quite a feat! ) but at one point that person looked at me and said "that **** CANT be legal"!!!

[Parodius]

yes he was, all night long! If nady had done the right thing (instead of showing the 'champ' too much respect) and deducted a pt. or two the scores would have been even more in Taylors favor. Damn, once hop. even hit him in the back of the head with nady standing right there watching! I got damn sick and tired of all the verbal warnings he gave hop. A friend that doesnt watch boxing watched it with me, and I kept my mouth shut the whole time (quite a feat! ) but at one point that person looked at me and said "that **** CANT be legal"!!!

Yes Hopkins got away with many dirty fouls, but the funny thing is all the cheap punches was counted by the compubox, this the reason Hopkins landed 10 more punches. The guy was holding & hitting 3 or 4 times. He did this like 20 different times. Hopkins actually won a fight like several years ago with a back of the head punch. He knocked that guy out with the back of the head punch, he should've been disqualified in that fight.

[tracylee]

Yes Hopkins got away with many dirty fouls, but the funny thing is all the cheap punches was counted by the compubox, this the reason Hopkins landed 10 more punches. The guy was holding & hitting 3 or 4 times. He did this like 20 different times. Hopkins actually won a fight like several years ago with a back of the head punch. He knocked that guy out with the back of the head punch, he should've been disqualified in that fight.

Definately! I understand not wanting to take pt's in a championship fight, but those are called fouls for a reason. That kind of crap is dangerous. Guys die all the time fighting CLEANLY, so that kind of thing is really pushing it. Take atleast 2 well deserved pts away from nard and taylor wins by a bigger margin.

[tino]

If you'll watch the entire fight, rewind it, and then watch it second time, you will realize that Taylor did not land but one or two 'flush' punches on Bernard. The rest were all shrugged off power punches, while they looked good to the average novice fan or judge because leather is flying in the ring, to a person that really knows Boxing it's easy to see he was missing with 99% of his punches, because Nard would duck his head right out of the pocket like the insane veteran that he is. On the occassion that a punch would land, Bernard's head would be moving away from the punch,(i do this) so even if that catches him it causes zero damage.

Even if you are bold and novice enough to say Taylor legitimately won, you can't deny Hopkins greatness..he owned Taylor, he was landing straight right hands right on the button, I'm not sure if anyone else heard the lead straight right hand Hop landed in the 9th or 10th, to me, it sounded almost like a .22 going off. And when in the history of the sport have you seen an undefeated bull with a 75%+ KO percentage get owned by a 40 year old man/not land a single clean flush power punch on him? NEVER! The old guy always gets his ass kicked or at least takes some shots, not Bernard. He is still the greatest, and you sadists that say he's boring, can lick my *******.


You have to admire Bernard for his inside work. While he was holding and hitting at times, you just have to understand that's how the man fights. He's not hitting behind the head, he likes to hold and dig in his power hand into your body 2-3 times, then unclinch. It's not Ruiz, and it's not Hatton, it's Bernard's version of roughhousing and it's completely legitimate in my opinion. Hatton spins opponents around and punches behind the head, Ruiz constantly grabs, Bernard just does it when he feels he needs an edge. Bernard is the king at cheesy infighting like that and making it look good. He'll turn his back to the ref and do it, and when the ref turns to get a better look Nard will turn with the ref and keep punching, it's really quite skillful.

Lastly, you have to admire the way Bernard fakes his accidental headbutts. I believe it was in round four or five, he comes in with the hardest part of his body aimed straight at Taylor's chin, his neck is immobile and stationary, while throwing punches coming in so it looks unintentional, he lands the top of his head FLUSH on Taylor's chin, turning Taylor's skull 90 degrees to the side. A ****ing work of art.


Yeah, and don't forget, Taylor was holding onto Bernard because he was dazed, at least once, in that fight.



I think Bernard was robbed, by HBO, because the fans all hate Bernard's style except those few hardcore fans like myself..Not only that but Bernard has a thugged out attitude and the fat white guy who runs HBO doesn't like that ****, he'd rather put a young guy like Taylor who tucks in his shirt and is from a redneck town on the throne, it's just a ****ed up situation..

oh and Dibella did you hear how he was talking **** about nard saying Taylor is gonna knock him the **** out? man i swear to god i know he'd sue me but put me in a room with him and I swear id strangle that mother****er

youre right . that is the best analysis of the fight i ve read .

bravo ! vive slipx !

[oldgringo]

Definately! I understand not wanting to take pt's in a championship fight, but those are called fouls for a reason. That kind of crap is dangerous. Guys die all the time fighting CLEANLY, so that kind of thing is really pushing it. Take atleast 2 well deserved pts away from nard and taylor wins by a bigger margin.

You can't take away points if the ref doesn't. C'mon Trace you know Hopkins has always been a rough fighter. Did you expect anything else?