Why Bernard won, and why Bernard is still the best

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  • Parodius
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    #31
    Originally posted by DCReprezenta
    honestly dude, watch da fight again next saturday...observe how many times hopkins countered taylor knockin him off balanced, observe how many wingin shots taylor missed and flailed across da ring....for goodness sake taylor missed a punch and fell to da ground in 1 of da rounds, HAHAHA..............how is dis fight even close let alone dominated by taylor?.....i could argue dat hopkins won 8 ****in rounds
    I've watched the fight 3 times already , if you think Hopkins won 8 rounds, then you really are on crack. Hopkins didn't win one round until the 10th. First 9 rounds, Taylor won 7 & I had the other 2 draw. Hopkins won the last 3 rounds & that is it. All Hopkins did was running around like a little ***** that he is, he was dirty & he didn't fight like a man. The only time Hopkins grew some balls was when Taylor ran out of gas because he was losing alot of blood. Like I said Taylor will learn from this fight & he will be better in the rematch & knock out that dirty crying ***** for good.

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    • DCReprezenta
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      #32
      Originally posted by Parodius
      I've watched the fight 3 times already , if you think Hopkins won 8 rounds, then you really are on crack. Hopkins didn't win one round until the 10th. First 9 rounds, Taylor won 7 & I had the other 2 draw. Hopkins won the last 3 rounds & that is it. All Hopkins did was running around like a little ***** that he is, he was dirty & he didn't fight like a man. The only time Hopkins grew some balls was when Taylor ran out of gas because he was losing alot of blood. Like I said Taylor will learn from this fight & he will be better in the rematch & knock out that dirty crying ***** for good.
      so hopkins aint win dat 5th round decisively?....when he tagged taylor wit like 5 flush right hands, 2 of them in succession while bobbin and weavin erything jermain threw?.......dude u really should step ya observance game up

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      • SnoopySmurf
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        #33
        Originally posted by Bombardier
        I don't know, fact is this was a close fight and you could see it any number of ways and I understand where you're coming from. Don't you think at least that Taylor gave Hopkins a lot more trouble than either of those guys and made it a lot harer for Hopkins to turn things around? If he held him back for a round or two more than what Hopkins was planning on then that would be enough to make the difference.
        Taylor did give Bernard trouble, as it took him 6 rounds to adjust to his reach and speed. I'm not here to debate but to analyse the result. Hopkins knows he's doesn't have the stamina for a 12 round all offensive fight. Plus he has to adjust to a very dangerous opponent like Taylor. 6 rounds it took before Bernard began to regularly touch Taylor. He turned it up from the 6th. But IMO, many of the shots Taylor threw (and many were misses) were countered by very very quick punches by Hopkins which, understandably, went unnoticed by the judges and viewers. I had to click back a few times to view his counters.

        A rematch is definitely called for.

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          #34
          Originally posted by scap
          The fight could have gone either way and you can make a solid case for both men, it was a tale of 2 fights kind of like Freitas vs. Casamayor.

          Hopkins has no one to blame but himself, he showed the green rookie way too much respect and he gave away many early rounds by throwing very few punches.

          Jermains right hand did not land flush but what it did was tell NArd to back off and back off is what he did. After 7 rounds I turned to a friend and said Taylor is winnnig this fight easily...at that point it changed dramatically and NArd took over but in the end Hopkins has no one to blame but himself, you cant throw 20 punches around and expect to win...against Eastman and Oscar he got away with this but Taylor was a different animal.

          the rematch will be better than the first fight and is a complete u pcikem. cant wait!
          Exactly the fight is 12 rds not the last 4, Hoplkins gave up too many early rounds plain and simple.

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          • DCReprezenta
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            #35
            Originally posted by SnoopySmurf
            Taylor did give Bernard trouble, as it took him 6 rounds to adjust to his reach and speed. I'm not here to debate but to analyse the result. Hopkins knows he's doesn't have the stamina for a 12 round all offensive fight. Plus he has to adjust to a very dangerous opponent like Taylor. 6 rounds it took before Bernard began to regularly touch Taylor. He turned it up from the 6th. But IMO, many of the shots Taylor threw (and many were misses) were countered by very very quick punches by Hopkins which, understandably, went unnoticed by the judges and viewers. I had to click back a few times to view his counters.

            A rematch is definitely called for.
            hopkins was touchin taylor on da regular since da 4th round

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            • Knicksman20
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              #36
              Hopkins out-boxed Taylor in this fight. Hopkins EFFECTIVE AGREESIVENESS should have won him the fight by about 4 rounds. Taylor fought at Hopkins pace through the entire fight. His corner kept telling him to throw the jab & to throw combos to the body. Hokins did exactly what he said he was gonna do to him. Take everything that he does well & turn it against him. Taylor's jab was a non-factor for just about all of the fight. His right hand was a non factor because he was swinging wildly for the most part & wasn't landing frequently. His uppercuts weren't landing once the jab was taken away. When Taylor tried to go to the body, Hopkins would catch him with a left hook up top & that discouraged him from going to the body except when in close. He looked tentative in alot of rounds because he didn't know what to do. Yes Taylor was aggressive but he wasn't landing anymore than Hopkins in hte beginning.

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                #37
                Originally posted by SnoopySmurf
                Taylor did give Bernard trouble, as it took him 6 rounds to adjust to his reach and speed. I'm not here to debate but to analyse the result. Hopkins knows he's doesn't have the stamina for a 12 round all offensive fight. Plus he has to adjust to a very dangerous opponent like Taylor. 6 rounds it took before Bernard began to regularly touch Taylor. He turned it up from the 6th. But IMO, many of the shots Taylor threw (and many were misses) were countered by very very quick punches by Hopkins which, understandably, went unnoticed by the judges and viewers. I had to click back a few times to view his counters.

                A rematch is definitely called for.
                I'm going to have to watch those middle rounds again to look for those counters. Seems to me that a lot of rounds that people are calling for Taylor or Hopkins could have been scored a draw if judges were more inclined to do that sort of thing. Anyway a few 10-10s could have made a big difference either way. At any rate, hopefully the rematch will happen sooner or later, whenever Jermain's ready to go.

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                • Parodius
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by DCReprezenta
                  so hopkins aint win dat 5th round decisively?....when he tagged taylor wit like 5 flush right hands, 2 of them in succession while bobbin and weavin erything jermain threw?.......dude u really should step ya observance game up
                  I think you should stop the nut-hugging of Hopkins. Another thing Hopkins was holding & hitting you probably score those cheap fouls for Hopkins. Like I said if anyone thinks that Borekins won the fight, I have no respect for those people. I'm pretty sure my knowledge of boxing is better then yours.

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                  • SnoopySmurf
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by DCReprezenta
                    hopkins was touchin taylor on da regular since da 4th round
                    Well, true. But his punches were forgotten by the judges by Taylor's combos. But from the 6th on, Bernard was touching Taylor and tying him up or smothering him with body shots.

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                    • DCReprezenta
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Parodius
                      I think you should stop the nut-hugging of Hopkins. Another thing Hopkins was holding & hitting you probably score those cheap fouls for Hopkins. Like I said if anyone thinks that Borekins won the fight, I have no respect for those people. I'm pretty sure my knowledge of boxing is better then yours.
                      dude....becuz i believe hopkins won da fight im "nuthuggin"?, wow.....and as for ya knowledge on boxing bein better than mine, i doubt it and even it happens to be (which i doubt) ya observing on boxing definitely aint, cheap fouls=taylor throwing a combination after da ref said stop to end da 2nd or 3rd round, cheap fouls dont=bernard punching until da ref says stop; punching back when taylor hits while holding

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