no fight should have even been negotiated at all

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

do you know reasons why these negotiations failed? They made the test a non issue because floyd said "he was not thinking about boxing, and his team said "no negotiations ever took place" which was a blatant lie. If that was the real reason then just say it and dont lie to the media and fans. That excuse has expired once they lied to the media. They are just covering up a floyd duck.

If Floyd was Ducking Pac, he never would have changed the cut off date from the day of the fight to two weeks before the fight. He tried to comprimise then, but Manny wanted nothing to do with it. Who's ducking who??? Moron

[Ray*]

If Floyd was Ducking Pac, he never would have changed the cut off date from the day of the fight to two weeks before the fight. He tried to comprimise then, but Manny wanted nothing to do with it. Who's ducking who??? Moron

No need in trying to educate the small minority, I get the Mayweather duck Pac now because of his " Am not thinking about boxing right now" but Pac clearly ducked the fight in March...No two ways about it.

[fcastro1]

If Floyd was Ducking Pac, he never would have changed the cut off date from the day of the fight to two weeks before the fight. He tried to comprimise then, but Manny wanted nothing to do with it. Who's ducking who??? Moron

what does that have to do with these negotiations. Dont tell me your one of those "pacs fault the first time so floyd should get a pass" type of *****.

[Roy Hobbs]

it seems like you are ok with floyd not bending on his ultimatum. his take it or leave it approach is not conducive to making this fight happen. floyd didnt get what he wants so there is no fight & you are defending it. that's not how big fights between two equally big stars of the sport happen. there has to be concessions on both sides. i think pacman has conceded more than enough yet floyd is the one doing the take it or leave it routine. its clear that arum tried to make the fight happen while the mayweather camp kept denying trying to make a fight. im a fan of both guys, but this is on floyd. they asked him twice about fighting pacquiao (the ap & make a wish kid) & both times he denied it. he was even asked by dana white & his response was he's not desperate.

even his answer to the associated press was bungled in my opinion. he should have answered with his drug testing stance instead of the vacation family thing. he's taking a hit publicly against a guy he probably would most likely beat in a clear decision.

[Ray*]

it seems like you are ok with floyd not bending on his ultimatum. his take it or leave it approach is not conducive to making this fight happen. floyd didnt get what he wants so there is no fight & you are defending it. that's not how big fights between two equally big stars of the sport happen. there has to be concessions on both sides. i think pacman has conceded more than enough yet floyd is the one doing the take it or leave it routine. its clear that arum tried to make the fight happen while the mayweather camp kept denying trying to make a fight. im a fan of both guys, but this is on floyd. they asked him twice about fighting pacquiao (the ap & make a wish kid) & both times he denied it. he was even asked by dana white & his response was he's not desperate.

even his answer to the associated press was bungled in my opinion. he should have answered with his drug testing stance instead of the vacation family thing. he's taking a hit publicly against a guy he probably would most likely beat in a clear decision.

Am sure the TS is not defending the "Am not thinking boxing right now or am going on vacation".... Whats the TS is definitely not defending is either of the boxers saying NO to random testing, Random testing shouldnt be holding up the fight.

[IMDAZED]

Am sure the TS is not defending the "Am not thinking boxing right now or am going on vacation".... Whats the TS is definitely not defending is either of the boxers saying NO to random testing, Random testing shouldnt be holding up the fight.

Exactly. And if you listen to all that crap about Floyd not bending that sounds pretty ridiculous when you consider that EVERY OTHER TERM MANNY PROPOSED WAS AGREED TO - no countering, no compromise, nothing.

[The_Demon]

So there shouldn't be a fight unless Pacquiao gives in to everything Floyd wants? How do you know Arum wasn't starting at 14 days and was eventually going to end up at 2 or 3 days? That's why it's called negotiations. Floyd never bothered to negotiate, that's why it never got past the terms we heard before.

It sounds like you are saying there shouldn't be negotiations unless Pacquiao doesn't negotiate, and just gives in to Floyd, which is ******.

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This.

[El Jesus]

The epitome of a Floyd hugger trying to sound objective.

Addional tests should not be there in the 1st place. ALL Demands by Floyd were met. get out of the closet and post more like your leader Burner and Horus. fits you more.

You have some nerve attacking me like that, i had more respect for you as a poster for you to come at me and put me in the same league as people who dont even post in the same style as me.

Then say "my leaders burner and horus"

Homie you are and have been one of the biggest pac **** riders since you have joined, and you have the nerve to call out my objectivity?

**** that.

**** this "oh the testing shouldnt be there" The testing SHOULD be there, and you and your boy are the only ones who seem to think otherwise.

Its in most other major sports that matter. Its good enough for Ronaldihno, Its good enough for Kobe, Its good enough for Usain Bolt, but for Pac all of the sudden there are 200 reasons why they shouldnt be there.

Man **** that. This is what im talking about. Im not going to justify floyd fronting with stuff like "im on vacation im not thinking about boxing" thats ******.

but you idiots have the nerve to justify why Manny shouldnt take a test that will likely become apart of the sport within the next 10 years regardless?

Man whatever.

[ModernTalking]

ESPN: Floyd is a COWARD

that's all there is to it..

[ADP02]

When will you dummies understand that being pound for pound means squat when it comes to negotiations? If you can't understand this basic concept then please stfu and let the grown ups speak.

Second...what counter offer? There isn't going to be a counteroffer when it comes to testing. Let that soak in.

You are wrong buddy, everything is considered when it comes to negotiations. You think that Manny has the same leverage as let's say Briggs had when he negotiated with the K2 team? Floyd needs Manny and Manny needs Floyd to get the numbers that they want in PPV. You think that ONLY past PPV viewing has relevance but there are other factors that are used too. The reason you would say its only past PPV viewing is because its your guy Floyd that wins that battle ..... How is this, during the first negotiations, it was stated that it was or at least close to 50/50. So how come Floyd was ready to go with that ballpark figure but you are not? One fight with Mosley can change the leverage slightly but Manny still has leverage.


You are making it sound like Floyd has ALL the leverage and Manny has to hope, pray and bow down to Floyd. That's crazy!

Testing and counter offer: Floyd did give counter offers the first time. I doubt you complained when your Floyd was OK with it. Right?

Still, I gave that as an example. Floyd could have said differently than I said, but the point is that he said NOTHING!!! Let that sink in!!! Secondly, if Floyd wants the fight to happen, negotiating the testing to something like 5 days may be reasonable. Especially when Floyd had 14 days previously!!! Plus, according to doctors, it's not recommended to take blood out of boxers too close to a fight but you avoid what doctors say because it doesn't benefit your case.

Finally, even what Floyd is suggesting is incorrect when it comes to PEDs testing. If Floyd was serious about it, he would be getting tested even outside of the contract period. Some boxers get to fight as last minute replacements. Think about that......Floyd, Manny or whoever can be doing PEDs now and stop just before they sign the contract. So don't talk about Floyd being serious about changing boxing. He is not even doing the testing properly BUT you seem to be OK with it because it's Floyd!!!