no fight should have even been negotiated at all

[ADP02]

that bastard doctor was full of **** and if you are using that as a defense it voids your whole argument.

Dr or not, that was garbage, and just because he has a "Dr" beside his name im not going to defy basic logic.

In the olympics, they take blood the day of the event and have been doing it the last 2 olympic cycles, no issue ever comes up for athletes there, but all of the sudden, newfound evidence says taking blood close to a sporting event isnt good?

Based on absolutely no evidence at all? Whatever.

So when the doctors stated that, what was the evidence used to negate that premise? If your evidence is because they are "bastard doctors", it's not enough. The doctors were discussing boxing only. They were not discussing Olympic sports. You need to take their words into consideration since the opposition did not counter with anything adequately, from what I heard.

Still, right or wrong, if that is all you have to say, "voids your whole argument", it's quite lame.

When Floyd said, I want 14 days, did you call him garbage? How about that a fighter comes in as a last minute replacement and therefore can take PEDS up to that short notice, is that OK? Floyd is NOT getting randomly tested now, is that OK?


You both just took one sentence from my post and never ever tried to properly explain your side against my post, in general.

[Ray*]

So when the doctors stated that, what was the evidence used to negate that premise? If your evidence is because they are "bastard doctors", it's not enough. The doctors were discussing boxing only. They were not discussing Olympic sports. You need to take their words into consideration since the opposition did not counter with anything adequately, from what I heard.

Still, right or wrong, if that is all you have to say, "voids your whole argument", it's quite lame.

When Floyd said, I want 14 days, did you call him garbage? How about that a fighter comes in as a last minute replacement and therefore can take PEDS up to that short notice, is that OK? Floyd is NOT getting randomly tested now, is that OK?


You both just took one sentence from my post and never ever tried to properly explain your side against my post, in general.

Am not a Doctor or anything but those doctors were brought in to go against random testing by the NSAC, I mean those "Doctors" were talking about infection through the "RE-USE" of needles WTF??? If 3rd world countries who have NO equipment wouldnt even make statements like that...

Those doctors credibilities are shot for me.

[ADP02]

what frustrates me is all of the "mayweather is a coward" talk resurfacing again and again. Its sort of drive by media to me.

While i dont get bent out of shape, they do this every fight cycle for this guy. He pitches a shutout against a decent opponent, he gets praised, then all of the sudden, hes a coward again.

About 90 percent of this website wouldnt even honor bets that mayweather/mosley was even gonna happen even after it was signed, yet hes a coward etc.

I think people need to make a choice with this guy. Either hes a overrated coward or hes a great fighter making questionable decisions that every fighter before him made regardless.

Nobody seems to care about an objective side to the story. Painting mayweather as a coward wont do anything because he dont give a **** regardless, and i wouldnt neither, if i have been labled as such for the last 5 years for doing what EVERYBODY ELSE is doing.

I don't call him a coward per say .... Floyd just weighs the risks so that he keeps his "0" in tact. Big difference.

I had Floyd beating Mosley BEFORE the fight and stated my reasosns why. I also had Floyd beating Manny and stated my reasons why but I may be changing my mind on this one (for another day) ...... I'm probably more objective than you.

You put this post and tried to make it look like it was objective but we saw the truth. You are just trying to cover Floyd's incriminating steps. Floyd was the reason why this fight didn't happen this time. Is it too hard to just say the truth? You and Imdazed call people garbage, idiots, dummies to defend yourselves but please go back and read your posts. You guys are doing just the same as Manny fans but the reverse.

[ADP02]

Am not a Doctor or anything but those doctors were brought in to go against random testing by the NSAC, I mean those "Doctors" were talking about infection through the "RE-USE" of needles WTF??? If 3rd world countries who have NO equipment wouldnt even make statements like that...

Those doctors credibilities are shot for me.

Doctors had other reasons besides what you pointed out.

I understand your point but as you said, you are not a doctor. I need to hear better evidence and I can support it up to the day of the fight. I have no problem with that. I am no expert either but let's hear the evidence on hand.

OK?

[IMDAZED]

I don't call him a coward per say .... Floyd just weighs the risks so that he keeps his "0" in tact. Big difference.

I had Floyd beating Mosley BEFORE the fight and stated my reasosns why. I also had Floyd beating Manny and stated my reasons why but I may be changing my mind on this one (for another day) ...... I'm probably more objective than you.

You put this post and tried to make it look like it was objective but we saw the truth. You are just trying to cover Floyd's incriminating steps. Floyd was the reason why this fight didn't happen this time. Is it too hard to just say the truth? You and Imdazed call people garbage, idiots, dummies to defend yourselves but please go back and read your posts. You guys are doing just the same as Manny fans but the reverse.

yeah, that's exactly why we call you an idiot. Quite frankly, you're not worth a serious response from me. Good luck, EJ. Handle him if you want.

[Twako]

mehhh.. they left the negotiation table at 14days. who was floyd negotiating w/ when he said zero cutoff? the media?

in any case, his and his team's reactions lately just further sunk him into a hole.

[Ray*]

Doctors had other reasons besides what you pointed out.

I understand your point but as you said, you are not a doctor. I need to hear better evidence and I can support it up to the day of the fight. I have no problem with that. I am no expert either but let's hear the evidence on hand.

OK?

One of those Doctors reason was because they were scared fighters might get infected by a re-used needle!!! Where in the world would anyone with brains re-use a needle? Especially an organisation like the USADA.

For me those doctors have shot themselves in the foot with that reason and made their whole argument look a bit su****ions..

[ADP02]

yeah, that's exactly why we call you an idiot. Quite frankly, you're not worth a serious response from me. Good luck, EJ. Handle him if you want.

IMDAZED, I remember you. You are the guy that asked for evidence/links proving my point since you never believed me. When I went thru the trouble of providing you the evidence you were never to be seen again on that thread. Example, I provided links to show that Corrales was weight drained for his fight with Floyd .....

I come here to discuss but you prefer to insult to get your worthless point across. I sure hope that you try discussing more reasonably with other posters because if you just state, "idiot, dummy, ... with over 16, 000 posts ..... oh, well, what can I say.


Look, .... You may not like what I have to say but please try to counter with something intelligent. I can be wrong and have no problem stating so but on your side, try a little harder next time Dazed....

[Doctor_Tenma]

Am not a Doctor or anything but those doctors were brought in to go against random testing by the NSAC, I mean those "Doctors" were talking about infection through the "RE-USE" of needles WTF??? If 3rd world countries who have NO equipment wouldnt even make statements like that...

Those doctors credibilities are shot for me.

I know man, crazy. Something was really fishy about the whole thing.

[brick wall]

The fight won't happen next year either IMO. I don't think they'll ever bend from what they are asking, EJ. But after Pacquiao-Margarito fails to break 1mil PPV buys, Manny's not going to be in a position to dictate squat.

lol straight from the horse's mouth. that's actually what you are praying for isn't it? that pac-marg will do less than floyd-jmm so that your beloved floyd's demands will get reasonable justification. branding pac-marg as just a tune up fight and criticizing the fight in the guise of a concerned boxing fan is more of a bull**** propaganda to encourage boxing fans not to buy the ppv. while there are some valid reasons to criticize the said fight, your intentions however stemmed from your deep manly love for floyd and not as a boxing fan. it's surprisingly ****** because it's not something you would expect from a normal person