no fight should have even been negotiated at all

[IMDAZED]

That's not how negotiations work. This means, your first offer (Manny's) should not be everything that the opponent wants because his name is FLoyd. Last time I checked, Manny is #1 P4P (or 2 if you wish), FOTD, has devasted his most recent opponents in exciting fashion and so on. So he does not have to give in to Floyd as you seem to think he was required to do, on his very first offer.

So let's take Floyd's word of random testing and let's say he said 60/40, as the rumor has it.
If Manny's team gave an offer of 50/50 with 14 days (testing) cutoff then Floyd's team should have counter offered with something, if he is interested in having a fight. Floyd could have said, 56/44 and 5 days (testing) cut off but he never did, according to what we heard. Floyd made NO COUNTER OFFER since he never contacted Manny's team to say that he was interested in the fight but not the offer!!!

The most important point out of this is that even Floyd said that he just doesn't want to fight Manny. FLoyd didn't say, the negotiations were at a stalemate or that the negotiations were going nowhere. FLoyd said he wants to go on vacation, not fight Manny.


You said "I see alot of people just making excuses for floyd, excuses for pac." ..... well, you just made an excuse for Floyd, is all you did.

When will you dummies understand that being pound for pound means squat when it comes to negotiations? If you can't understand this basic concept then please stfu and let the grown ups speak.

Second...what counter offer? There isn't going to be a counteroffer when it comes to testing. Let that soak in.

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If we are going by "your objectiveness" then Pacquiao never wanted the fight in January and Mayweather never wanted the fight now.

no, prior to the supposed Jan fight. pac didnt want to take the 14 day cut off test. so the fight didnt happen because he didnt agree. period. dont think about peds.

now, floyd want to enjoy vacation and didnt want a fight or work. period. dont think about ducking.

thats how we look objectively. again, period.

[IMDAZED]

no, prior to the supposed Jan fight. pac didnt want to take the 14 day cut off test. so the fight didnt happen because he didnt agree. period. dont think about peds.

now, floyd want to enjoy vacation and didnt want a fight or work. period. dont think about ducking.

thats how we look objectively. again, period.

The irony in this post is just too much to bear.

[Ray*]

no, prior to the supposed Jan fight. pac didnt want to take the 14 day cut off test. so the fight didnt happen because he didnt agree. period. dont think about peds.

now, floyd want to enjoy vacation and didnt want a fight or work. period. dont think about ducking.

thats how we look objectively.

Really??? I dont think you understand the word "Objectively".

[Ray*]

Again "Random testing" should NOT be negotiated, It benefits both fighters involve in the fight and that isnt something that needs to be a holding up the fight.

[Amazinger]

If the objective from mayweather was clearly "no cutoff" on random testing, offering a fight is sort of pointless. Bending for 14 days to me is just for show.

Clearly it worked, i hear all this about how floyd should accept this or that, but if Arum had no intention of offering a deal with no test cutoffs, i wish this circus would have been circumvented by arum just going ahead and negotiating the margarito fight.

Because frankly...im tired of reading coward this and that.

Im ok with Pac simply going after the money before facing the toughest fight of his career. Thats what hes entitled to,

the margarito fight is a dubious sham, but its his career and his money.

But i just wish no fight would have been offered and created this circus. They knew floyd from the get go wouldnt release leverage and agree to 14 days after SPECIFICLY saying that he wouldnt back in april.

With that in mind, i sort of feel...i feel like most of you here have been duped on both sides.

I see alot of people just making excuses for floyd, excuses for pac.

I know what they are both doing. Floyd made his intentions known.

For pac, hes hiding his intentions behind "history" and "humility", and hes really no different than floyd. But because hes the greatest athelete in the history of his country, his fights are justified no matter how improbable it is.

and as fans most of you eat it up from both of them.

Pac will fight floyd next year, likely with no cutoff and all of this will be erased.

But until then, i have to be bored out of my mind listening to you people forget that arum had no intention of making this fight this year, and next year, floyd and pac will fight, and most of this will be put behind us.

Some of you just need to give this a rest. Even this thread contributes little. But when i come to page one and read "Floyd this" "Pac that"

"floyd coward complation threads"

You guys really bring down the sport as a whole, because you dont focus on any other fighters.

You guys bury signifigant news about other fighters who are fighting in the ring without testing or fake titles.

lets talk about that instead of arguing which shady son of a b!tch is more right.

How about this, they are both about getting money, period. Once you accept that and stop ****ing stanning and pretending that you are on some righteous crusade for pac or for floyd, then youll realize there is more to this sport than sukkin 2 fighters ****s all day.

I sincerely think with all the photoshops, aliases, aliases for the aliases, for the first time in my life, i can honestly say, some of you really dont have much going for you outside of this silly bull****. i normally would never say this but thats how i feel. some of yall are some real losers to be concentrating on this day and night, i see the same 5 aliases flooding this board all day with the same garbage having a schitzophrenic convo with each other.

**** about 98 percent of yall.

TS you actually created a thread berrating your own kind......BRILLIANT!!

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to ray and imdazed, yes its ironic taht as an objective fans u dont question GBP saying to univision the figth is close to being done and then he just said it coz he is tired of those questions. then on the other hand, you just believe that arum is all shows for the mayweather fight. tsk tsk tsk.

so u guys r objective.

[IMDAZED]

to ray and imdazed, yes its ironic taht as an objective fans u dont question GBP saying to univision the figth is close to being done and then he just said it coz he is tired of those questions. then on the other hand, you just believe that arum is all shows for the mayweather fight. tsk tsk tsk.

so u guys r objective.

Are you done?

[led]

Really??? I dont think you understand the word "Objectively".

well thats how the the TS define objectivity. he sees the arum evil ways and not on the other team.

[fcastro1]

you wanna blame someone ?blame pacquaio cuz at least we are 100% sure that he ruined it the first time. he was offered the cut off date and said no to it. now we see him fight other cheaters.. **** him

How is it pacs fault? Maybe pac was the first one literally to leave negotiations but what is he supposed to do if they cant come up with a compromise, sit around a table and suck his thumb while eachside wait for the other to give in. Both were to blame for the first negotiations because both had a chance to make it.