no fight should have even been negotiated at all

[El Jesus]

You are wrong buddy, everything is considered when it comes to negotiations. You think that Manny has the same leverage as let's say Briggs had when he negotiated with the K2 team? Floyd needs Manny and Manny needs Floyd to get the numbers that they want in PPV. You think that ONLY past PPV viewing has relevance but there are other factors that are used too. The reason you would say its only past PPV viewing is because its your guy Floyd that wins that battle ..... How is this, during the first negotiations, it was stated that it was or at least close to 50/50. So how come Floyd was ready to go with that ballpark figure but you are not? One fight with Mosley can change the leverage slightly but Manny still has leverage.


You are making it sound like Floyd has ALL the leverage and Manny has to hope, pray and bow down to Floyd. That's crazy!

Testing and counter offer: Floyd did give counter offers the first time. I doubt you complained when your Floyd was OK with it. Right?

Still, I gave that as an example. Floyd could have said differently than I said, but the point is that he said NOTHING!!! Let that sink in!!! Secondly, if Floyd wants the fight to happen, negotiating the testing to something like 5 days may be reasonable. Especially when Floyd had 14 days previously!!! Plus, according to doctors, it's not recommended to take blood out of boxers too close to a fight but you avoid what doctors say because it doesn't benefit your case.

Finally, even what Floyd is suggesting is incorrect when it comes to PEDs testing. If Floyd was serious about it, he would be getting tested even outside of the contract period. Some boxers get to fight as last minute replacements. Think about that......Floyd, Manny or whoever can be doing PEDs now and stop just before they sign the contract. So don't talk about Floyd being serious about changing boxing. He is not even doing the testing properly BUT you seem to be OK with it because it's Floyd!!!

that bastard doctor was full of **** and if you are using that as a defense it voids your whole argument.

Dr or not, that was garbage, and just because he has a "Dr" beside his name im not going to defy basic logic.

In the olympics, they take blood the day of the event and have been doing it the last 2 olympic cycles, no issue ever comes up for athletes there, but all of the sudden, newfound evidence says taking blood close to a sporting event isnt good?

Based on absolutely no evidence at all? Whatever.

[Ray*]

Exactly. And if you listen to all that crap about Floyd not bending that sounds pretty ridiculous when you consider that EVERY OTHER TERM MANNY PROPOSED WAS AGREED TO - no countering, no compromise, nothing.

Well, they said Mayweather didnt want the fight but he agreed to everything Pacquiao wanted..I guess he didnt want the fight when he agreed to those demand from Team Pacquiao..

You have some nerve attacking me like that, i had more respect for you as a poster for you to come at me and put me in the same league as people who dont even post in the same style as me.

Then say "my leaders burner and horus"

Homie you are and have been one of the biggest pac **** riders since you have joined, and you have the nerve to call out my objectivity?

**** that.

**** this "oh the testing shouldnt be there" The testing SHOULD be there, and you and your boy are the only ones who seem to think otherwise.

Its in most other major sports that matter. Its good enough for Ronaldihno, Its good enough for Kobe, Its good enough for Usain Bolt, but for Pac all of the sudden there are 200 reasons why they shouldnt be there.

Man **** that. This is what im talking about. Im not going to justify floyd fronting with stuff like "im on vacation im not thinking about boxing" thats ******.

but you idiots have the nerve to justify why Manny shouldnt take a test that will likely become apart of the sport within the next 10 years regardless?

Man whatever.

Exactly what i thought.

[Xeraser]

Test or no test, the end will justify the means. If Floyd really wants this fight, he would make a way to make this fight. He does not want because he's making all these excuses to run away from the fight.
I actually slightly favor Mayweather in this fight but the frustrating part is I have more faith than him. For all his skills and his talent, it's hard to fathom why he's scared to fight a guy he said he can easily beat. I mean the glory and the reward far outweigh the risk and his excuses, it's illogical to believed that he rather take a vacation because if he run away from his disgraceful fear instead of having the courage to face his fear, he is a COWARD.

[IMDAZED]

You are wrong buddy, everything is considered when it comes to negotiations. You think that Manny has the same leverage as let's say Briggs had when he negotiated with the K2 team? Floyd needs Manny and Manny needs Floyd to get the numbers that they want in PPV. You think that ONLY past PPV viewing has relevance but there are other factors that are used too. The reason you would say its only past PPV viewing is because its your guy Floyd that wins that battle ..... How is this, during the first negotiations, it was stated that it was or at least close to 50/50. So how come Floyd was ready to go with that ballpark figure but you are not? One fight with Mosley can change the leverage slightly but Manny still has leverage.


You are making it sound like Floyd has ALL the leverage and Manny has to hope, pray and bow down to Floyd. That's crazy!

Testing and counter offer: Floyd did give counter offers the first time. I doubt you complained when your Floyd was OK with it. Right?

Still, I gave that as an example. Floyd could have said differently than I said, but the point is that he said NOTHING!!! Let that sink in!!! Secondly, if Floyd wants the fight to happen, negotiating the testing to something like 5 days may be reasonable. Especially when Floyd had 14 days previously!!! Plus, according to doctors, it's not recommended to take blood out of boxers too close to a fight but you avoid what doctors say because it doesn't benefit your case.

Finally, even what Floyd is suggesting is incorrect when it comes to PEDs testing. If Floyd was serious about it, he would be getting tested even outside of the contract period. Some boxers get to fight as last minute replacements. Think about that......Floyd, Manny or whoever can be doing PEDs now and stop just before they sign the contract. So don't talk about Floyd being serious about changing boxing. He is not even doing the testing properly BUT you seem to be OK with it because it's Floyd!!!

Thank you, El Jesus for answering this complete and utter horse****. Just grabbed a bite and think I've seen enough idiocy for one afternoon.

[El Jesus]

Well, they said Mayweather didnt want the fight but he agreed to everything Pacquiao wanted..I guess he didnt want the fight when he agreed to those demand from Team Pacquiao..



Exactly what i thought.

Ray you got it perfect in one of your posts. I get accused of being biased but if you look at my post, i really dont trip that hard off of pac-margarito because i know thast was their intention all along, i dont like it, i think its lame, but i dont need to make thread after thread about it, i dont think i have made one.

But i wish all this misleading and the like wouldnt have gone on is all.

on a side note...:

lol @ overpaying for Joe Cole. They should know better.

[El Jesus]

Thank you, El Jesus for answering this complete and utter horse****. Just grabbed a bite and think I've seen enough idiocy for one afternoon.

what frustrates me is all of the "mayweather is a coward" talk resurfacing again and again. Its sort of drive by media to me.

While i dont get bent out of shape, they do this every fight cycle for this guy. He pitches a shutout against a decent opponent, he gets praised, then all of the sudden, hes a coward again.

About 90 percent of this website wouldnt even honor bets that mayweather/mosley was even gonna happen even after it was signed, yet hes a coward etc.

I think people need to make a choice with this guy. Either hes a overrated coward or hes a great fighter making questionable decisions that every fighter before him made regardless.

Nobody seems to care about an objective side to the story. Painting mayweather as a coward wont do anything because he dont give a **** regardless, and i wouldnt neither, if i have been labled as such for the last 5 years for doing what EVERYBODY ELSE is doing.

[Twako]

mehhh.. they left the negotiation table at 14days. who was floyd negotiating w/ when he said zero cutoff? the media?

in any case, his and his team's reactions lately just further sunk him into a hole.

[Ray*]

Ray you got it perfect in one of your posts. I get accused of being biased but if you look at my post, i really dont trip that hard off of pac-margarito because i know thast was their intention all along, i dont like it, i think its lame, but i dont need to make thread after thread about it, i dont think i have made one.

But i wish all this misleading and the like wouldnt have gone on is all.

on a side note...:

lol @ overpaying for Joe Cole. They should know better.

Well am done with all these Pac fans, they would attack you even if you present facts in their faces..


Liverpool were desperate and the more reason they were prepared to pay Joe cole £90,000 a week, Joe hasnt played for 18 months prior to the end of the season and arsenal werent prepared to give him the offer he wanted...We have Jack Wilshire who at 18 could do well for us in the future.

[IMDAZED]

what frustrates me is all of the "mayweather is a coward" talk resurfacing again and again. Its sort of drive by media to me.

While i dont get bent out of shape, they do this every fight cycle for this guy. He pitches a shutout against a decent opponent, he gets praised, then all of the sudden, hes a coward again.

About 90 percent of this website wouldnt even honor bets that mayweather/mosley was even gonna happen even after it was signed, yet hes a coward etc.

I think people need to make a choice with this guy. Either hes a overrated coward or hes a great fighter making questionable decisions that every fighter before him made regardless.

Nobody seems to care about an objective side to the story. Painting mayweather as a coward wont do anything because he dont give a **** regardless, and i wouldnt neither, if i have been labled as such for the last 5 years for doing what EVERYBODY ELSE is doing.

Anybody on that "coward" kick is either a little kid or really ****ing dumb. Just not worth entertaining personally. The problem with this sport is that the media lacks BALLS. You should see the way they behave around Greenburg & co. They take sides and off they go. It's disgusting. Ahh well. Ali got the same treatment too.

[Ray*]

Anybody on that "coward" kick is either a little kid or really ****ing dumb. Just not worth entertaining personally. The problem with this sport is that the media lacks BALLS. You should see the way they behave around Greenburg & co. They take sides and off they go. It's disgusting. Ahh well. Ali got the same treatment too.

Exactly!!! And before anyone accuse me of comparing Ali and Mayweather...