How Would You Rate Pacman's Defense? His "slickness"?

[letsgobrady]

[QUOTE=brick wall;8932354]but that's not pac's style at all so what's your point? he moves his head side to side while on attack to at least baffle his opponent eventhough the latter is not throwing punches yet. and besides he doesn't really get hit a lot like what you're trying to portray. the only times he absorbed so many punches was against jmm who is an excellent counterpuncher. cotto and clottey did land some hard punches only because pac opened up his defense and stopped moving his head.[/QUOTE]

he always stops movin his head after about 2-3 rounds just like in every fight his back at some point is on the ropes these are things that manny always does, the clottey and cotto fight u get to see it because the fights was not dominated by manny like his fights with diaz and oscar, miguel made it to the 12 and clottey went the distance and those are the 2 recent fights where manny didn't just run through his opponents and the 2 fights where manny looked like he had actually been in a fight since his fight with marquez

[brick wall]

so basically ur agreeing that pacs defense is about average??? i dnt get why u guys argue for the sake of arguing. pac's d is rhythmic, its not really what i called fluid. but he doesnt need it to be. its all cool, but lets not act like he has great d.

who says his defense is great? this was my post on the previous page of this thread...suck it.

you really can not expect a very good defense from a fighter who put up an offense like pac's. at the same time you can not expect a defensive fighter to have an offense as good as pac's. it's all about style...defense will always be the opposite of offense even if the world ends tomorrow.

[Kagami Taiga]

who says his defense is great? this was my post on the previous page of this thread...suck it.

uhhh i never said u did. that was a general statement not directed at anyone. the opening statement was what was addressed to ur comments. sorry for any confusion...i guess...

[Junito-Rulez]

Average but Pac's defense is offense. People cant land punches on him coz they know he will land twice more. It takes a brillant technician to capitalize on Manny's mistakes.

[brick wall]

exactly, which means he doesn't have good head movement. Moving your head side to side like he does is in ineffective and not called head movement in boxing...

If i knew how to embed some gifs...i would show u head movement

why is it ineffective? do you think pac would be as he is today without his body and head movement. nobody here is saying that his movement is as good as pernell whitaker's. but it's a head movement nonetheless in the truest sense of boxing.

[cortdawg25]

why is it ineffective? Do you think pac would be as he is today without his body and head movement. Nobody here is saying that his movement is as good as pernell whitaker's. But it's a head movement nonetheless in the truest sense of boxing.

it's ineffective because he gets punched in the face too much! Without his footwork-no. But that side to side thing he do is just dumb and a waste. He should be moving his head when he punching.

I could see if you were doing that if your opponent was punching, but doing it when no punches are being thrown in the same rhythm is not baffling his opponent...he enabling them to size him up. But hey, u think what u want, i'll cont. To be insane!

[South_paw]

I would give him a 6 out of 10 for defense, slightly above average.

It is evident that he is able to use defense when necessary, but it is not his forte as we know his specialty is the perplexing angular rat-ta-tat barrage of an offense.

But he is able to perform the basic fundamental defensive moves when needed such as his dip and dodges against DLH and hatton, the blocking in most of his fights even in the Marquez fight though he got hit quite a bit, but he blocked many also. His footwork also is a big plus as a defense as he puzzles his opponent with unpredictable ranges. I would say his head movement is very good at times, but is inconsistent. He even uses his damn face to block sometimes hahahaha in order to be able to get his opponent to open up. He's a crazy mofo.

Overall, his defense is there, but very inconsisent. Its probably because of his unorthodox style and offensive focused ways. Without it, do u think he would have reached this far? Definately not.

[BillyBoxing]

It's about a 4, if he moved his head better and wasn't so off balanced all the time his defense would be better.

He does move his head well in his last fights.

He's SOMETIMES easy to hit when he engages to much,sometimes off balanced.

I agree it's lot of sometimes while Maywather is always focused on his defense.

I think his defense is underrated cuz people(especially *****s) talks like he has Hatton's defense(I mean no defense).
Manny has a correct defense,a fast footwork making him not easy to hit.

I would give a 6 to Manny,but 9 to Mayweather.

I still have doubts about Mayweather's level against southpaws...especially a good and fast one like Manny.

[Bennett]

scale of 1-10 ill say a 2.

[tesla_power]

He defense is probably 7 IMO.

Check out the average connect per round of hatton against pac and floyd. You would see it's 9connects/round (pac fight) to 12-13connects/round(pbf fight). If you go by the delahoya fights, you get around 10connects/round for both. I'm not saying that pac is better than floyd since this does not factor accuracy, workrate, etc... of hatton/dlh but his defense is pretty solid to me.