How Would You Rate Pacman's Defense? His "slickness"?

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Thats just it. 2501 is not a floyd fan. SInce Mel Gibson has had a melt down maybe you can star in "Conspiracy Theory 2". Im out til later.

Oh well then my apology to the TS still hasn't stopped this thread from turning into exactly what I described it as. A suck on floyds **** so we can feel better about ourselves party.

The floyd fans will rate pac 5 or less defensively while *******s will over exagerrate his defense, but a neutral fan will be realistic and rate him a 7 which is about as good as defense can get for a fighter whos always coming forward.

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I'll give him 6-7 and I'm probably underrating him because although he doesn't seem to have all that much defensive skill, he does.

He stays out of range, is quick enough to dart in and dart out, gives solid head movement, and can punch and dodge punches. The problem is that most of his defensive skill is based on his athleticism (which doesn't speak well to his long term future as a fighter).

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pretty sure ts hates floyd and is a big pac fan so stop crying mr.sensitive

Im not the one justifying Floyds excuses so who exactly is Mr.sensative here?

[cortdawg25]

When it comes to defense, pacquiao does have great footspeed. That is what he mainly used against oscar. After he unloaded on oscar, he wasn't there to be countered, then he just reset and did it again.

When cotto was hammering him on the ropes, he bounced on out of there and the 2nd knock down when cotto had him against the ropes again, he spun out and flurried. Cotto made the mistake in trying to punch with him.

[cortdawg25]

he made a big brain fart and he's trying to justify it.

ima say this and i'm done with it. Pacquiao actually has showed he can move his head properly. He did it against hatton on the ko. When he threw that punch and dipped his head under hatton's punch...that's head movement!

[letsgobrady]

4.clottey hit him alot and he barley threw punches his connect % on manny was crazy and miguel was also hittin manny until manny hurt miguel.manny has good defense when he's in a defensive mode but when he is not he is very hittable and tends to keep his hands low alot and when he's on offense he never brings his hands back up to his face thats why he got caught with so many straight right hands from clottey

[Kagami Taiga]

ima say this and i'm done with it. Pacquiao actually has showed he can move his head properly. He did it against hatton on the ko. When he threw that punch and dipped his head under hatton's punch...that's head movement!

i get what ur sayin nad ur rite, but dnt bother. the dudes are trolling. moving your head from one side to another is movement of your head, but in boxing it is not considered effective head movement. its easy to time and ppl can set up traps based on your patterns. a fighter like floyd mayweather(yea the *****) would totally exploit a fighter who moved their head from side to side in such a predictable pattern.

if u go and watch mike tyson's old fights u notice he moves his head from side to side, but he also dips too so he adds a lot to his movement that makes it harder to hit him, but even then he wasnt always hard to hit.

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well it is not insane or ****** if u look at it besides just moving your head. In boxing, moving your head when no punches are being thrown is not head movement....we call that unneccessary movement.

Especially, when it is the same rhythm and moving in the same direction everytime. I can time that all day long.

So if pacquiao is moving head like that to avoid punches when there are no punches and yet gets hit alot when there is punches....then something isn't right

coming forward has nothing to do with it, look at mike tyson. He a come forward fighter but in his prime he didn't get hit much. Floyd has come forward against zab and mosley and got hit very little.

Moving your head in the same rhythmic motion isn't head movement in boxing. Moving your head while engaging is head movement.

Jmm moving his head low and to the right when manny throws those straight lefts was head movement!

but that's not pac's style at all so what's your point? he moves his head side to side while on attack to at least baffle his opponent eventhough the latter is not throwing punches yet. and besides he doesn't really get hit a lot like what you're trying to portray. the only times he absorbed so many punches was against jmm who is an excellent counterpuncher. cotto and clottey did land some hard punches only because pac opened up his defense and stopped moving his head.

[Kagami Taiga]

but that's not pac's style at all so what's your point? he moves his head side to side while on attack to at least baffle his opponent eventhough the latter is not throwing punches yet. and besides he doesn't really get hit a lot like what you're trying to portray. the only times he absorbed so many punches was against jmm who is an excellent counterpuncher. cotto and clottey did land some hard punches only because pac opened up his defense and stopped moving his head.

so basically ur agreeing that pacs defense is about average??? i dnt get why u guys argue for the sake of arguing. pac's d is rhythmic, its not really what i called fluid. but he doesnt need it to be. its all cool, but lets not act like he has great d.

[cortdawg25]

but that's not pac's style at all so what's your point? He moves his head side to side while on attack to at least baffle his opponent eventhough the latter is not throwing punches yet. And besides he doesn't really get hit a lot like what you're trying to portray. The only times he absorbed so many punches was against jmm who is an excellent counterpuncher. Cotto and clottey did land some hard punches only because pac opened up his defense and stopped moving his head.

exactly, which means he doesn't have good head movement. Moving your head side to side like he does is in ineffective and not called head movement in boxing...

If i knew how to embed some gifs...i would show u head movement