Who Exactley Did Roy Jones Jr Duck??????

[The Troll]

Actually Graciano Rochigian won the WBC belt from defeating Michael Nunn and not for the Interim title. 30 days after Rochigiani defeated Nunn for the WBC belt he was ordered by the WBC to rematch Michael Nunn. He was unable to meet the obligation and the belt was stripped by the WBC. This is the same exact way Michalczewski was stripped of the WBA and IBF belts. None of it changed the fact that DM was Linear and Ring Magazine from 1997 to 2003 and therefore it would be Jones who would be under obligation to make concession during negotiation.

Like I said before if Jones was such a class above DM what was stopping him from embarrasing and outclassing Michalczewski in his hometown, especially when you consider the fact that both fighters would have made the most money fighting in Germany. Fighting in a soccer stadium in Hamburg that holds 60,000 + people.

Graciano Rochigiani was awarded Millions of dollars in damages by a court for being what the court considered illegally stripped of his title. I believe an American court.

[ricecrispi]

Michalczewski got so many lopside wins and many fighters complained about fighting in Germany and how you couldn't win a descision in germany with Michalczewski. It happen not once or tiwce but a hand full of times. That was why he remained undefeated so long because they wanted him to retire champ and undefeated. IT was so sleezy. Roy didn't make up an excuse out of his ass, it was the truth. Even though RING had him as the linear champ they mocked DM and called him sleezy too.

It was like people saying RJJ was ducking Reggie Johson for a few years. BS. Johnson was prolong his career by not fighting RJJ and making money for the years he didn't fight RJJ.

I don't doubt RJJ ducked a hand full of fighters and fought rent a cops but DM is the worst arguement you could've brought up.

[The Troll]

Michalczewski got so many lopside wins and many fighters complained about fighting in Germany and how you couldn't win a descision in germany with Michalczewski. It happen not once or tiwce but a hand full of times. That was why he remained undefeated so long because they wanted him to retire champ and undefeated. IT was so sleezy. Roy didn't make up an excuse out of his ass, it was the truth. Even though RING had him as the linear champ they mocked DM and called him sleezy too.

It was like people saying RJJ was ducking Reggie Johson for a few years. BS. Johnson was prolong his career by not fighting RJJ and making money for the years he didn't fight RJJ.

I don't doubt RJJ ducked a hand full of fighters and fought rent a cops but DM is the worst arguement you could've brought up.

Besides the First fight with Rochigiani can you give a specific example of this? I do not think you can. And Rochigiani was from Germany, and you think the German referee was biased against him in the first fight with Michalczewski when he dq'ed him for low blows?

Give me a Specific of example of a DM "lopsided/undeserved" win. And if all Michalczewski success was by fraud as you claim why would the Ring Magazine declare him Lt Heavyweight Champ from 1997-2003? They must also in your mind be biased against Roy Jones despite the fact the Ring is an American Magazine.

[ricecrispi]

I know about the Rochigiani and the "interm" label they put on his title when it was a real one. That's why i said he fought better in the legal ring then the boxing. The guy was a chump. The guy could've fought again and beat the geriatric Nunn or a rent a cop. Didn't matter because he never would have beaten Roy to become a champ,so he figured, I make millions in court anyways and be labeled a champ. Win, Win situation for him

[The Troll]

I know about the Rochigiani and the "interm" label they put on his title when it was a real one. That's why i said he fought better in the legal ring then the boxing. The guy was a chump. The guy could've fought again and beat the geriatric Nunn or a rent a cop. Didn't matter because he never would have beaten Roy to become a champ,so he figured, I make millions in court anyways and be labeled a champ. Win, Win situation for him

Rochigiani didn't fight rent a cops and a postal workers he actually fought champions like Michael Nunn and Dariusz Michalczewski. The same of which cannot be said for Roy Jones.

[ricecrispi]

Graciano Rocchigiani, go look at who he fought. Bums too. Nnn was too old, ten years removed. DM is a good fighter but that's basically it.
lost to top fighters because he wasn't a real contender.
Examples.
Richard Hall vs DM stoppage to early, bad ref. Virgil Hill should've won that close fight vs Dm but european judges. I can't think of too many others because I'm no DM fan but i've read it in RING and how judges and refs give him a slight favor and he fought bums in Europe like many European fighter do. The atricle must be 5 years ago or older. I'm not saying it would happen with RJJ vs. DM, but it happens.

Europe judges and America do it for fact too. You fight oversees, judges don't have problems giving you a bad decision because they think people wont notice. Plus how tempting is bring home the title to your country. I would do it! Plus the crowd plays a small role in judging. Sturm vs DLH was a great case of that. Same could happen to RJJ.

[The Troll]

Graciano Rocchigiani, go look at who he fought. Bums too. Nnn was too old, ten years removed. DM is a good fighter but that's basically it.
lost to top fighters because he wasn't a real contender.
Examples.
Richard Hall vs DM stoppage to early, bad ref. Virgil Hill should've won that close fight vs Dm but european judges. I can't think of too many others because I'm no DM fan but i've read it in RING and how judges and refs give him a slight favor and he fought bums in Europe like many European fighter do. The atricle must be 5 years ago or older. I'm not saying it would happen with RJJ vs. DM, but it happens.

Europe judges and America do it for fact too. You fight oversees, judges don't have problems giving you a bad decision because they think people wont notice. Plus how tempting is bring home the title to your country. I would do it! Plus the crowd plays a small role in judging. Sturm vs DLH was a great case of that. Same could happen to RJJ.

If you actually have ever watched a DM fight you would notice that in many cases American judges, and referees such as Joe Cortez are used in many of his fights.

And Virgil Hill vs Dariusz Michalczewski was in no way a close fight! Virgil HIll is on record as saying if DM and Roy Jones fought his prediction is that Michalczewski would win.

[JUYJUY]

Roy Jones was NEVER rated number one at Middleweight, it was Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan who were rated number one at Middleweight from 1990 to 1995, Roy Jones fought neither of them.. let's look at Roy's last couple of fights shall we, what happened in Roy's last couple of fights? Now think about the purely awesome P4P punching power of Jackson and McClellan, see what I mean?

Roy Jones defeated a version of James Toney that was very beatable, Toney was weighing 220lbs just 6 weeks before the fight and had to get down to 168! He was in no state to fight that night and actually knew beforehand that he was going to lose and it was NOT because he was fighting Roy Jones, it was because he was so dehydrated. Roy Jones started as a big underdog, and had the fight taken place a year earlier Toney would of handed him his ass. Toney was rated #1 lb4lb in the world at the time, Roy Jones wasn't ranked near the top 10 lb4lb at the time (Eubank was well inside the top 10 by the way), but Jones undeservedly jumped straight into the #1 spot for beating the #1 Toney and then undeservedly remained #1 for 10 ****ing years! Even though the guy didn't fight anybody, he remained #1 and that made me sick. Although Showtime showed some sense in rating Whitaker, De La Hoya and Mosley as #1 ahead of Jones at times.

Roy Jones defended his IBF 168 title five times, three of which weren't even ranked in the top 10 at 168 at the time and another was just a 'blown-up' Lightweight. He blatantly avoided the fellow top five World Champions (Benn, Eubank, Collins, Liles).

Michael Nunn was constantly Jones' mandatory in the mid-to-late 90's, Jones just would not fight him. Why?

At 175, it was NOT Roy Jones who was the Linear Champion, that was Dariusz Michalczewski who Jones did not fight despite them being in the same division as fellow World Champions for 5-10 years.

Even at Heavyweight, he didn't fight the best (Tyson, Lennox). The guy is a fraud if I've ever known one.

[The Troll]

Roy Jones was NEVER rated number one at Middleweight, it was Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan who were rated number one at Middleweight from 1990 to 1995, Roy Jones fought neither of them.. let's look at Roy's last couple of fights shall we, what happened in Roy's last couple of fights? Now think about the purely awesome P4P punching power of Jackson and McClellan, see what I mean?

Roy Jones defeated a version of James Toney that was very beatable, Toney was weighing 220lbs just 6 weeks before the fight and had to get down to 168! He was in no state to fight that night and actually knew beforehand that he was going to lose and it was NOT because he was fighting Roy Jones, it was because he was so dehydrated. Roy Jones started as a big underdog, and had the fight taken place a year earlier Toney would of handed him his ass. Toney was rated #1 lb4lb in the world at the time, Roy Jones wasn't ranked near the top 10 lb4lb at the time (Eubank was well inside the top 10 by the way), but Jones undeservedly jumped straight into the #1 spot for beating the #1 Toney and then undeservedly remained #1 for 10 ****ing years! Even though the guy didn't fight anybody, he remained #1 and that made me sick. Although Showtime showed some sense in rating Whitaker, De La Hoya and Mosley as #1 ahead of Jones at times.

Roy Jones defended his IBF 168 title five times, three of which weren't even ranked in the top 10 at 168 at the time and another was just a 'blown-up' Lightweight. He blatantly avoided the fellow top five World Champions (Benn, Eubank, Collins, Liles).

Michael Nunn was constantly Jones' mandatory in the mid-to-late 90's, Jones just would not fight him. Why?

At 175, it was NOT Roy Jones who was the Linear Champion, that was Dariusz Michalczewski who Jones did not fight despite them being in the same division as fellow World Champions for 5-10 years.

Even at Heavyweight, he didn't fight the best (Tyson, Lennox). The guy is a fraud if I've ever known one.

He wouldn't fight Nunn at Lt Heavyweight either.

[JUYJUY]

Let's examine who he could of fought shall we?

Jones could of fought Julian Jackson between 1989 and 1993, the former WBA 154 champ Jackson was the WBC 160 champ and he'd only ever lost one fight in his long career and that was a premature stoppage against Mike McCallum in a fight that he was winning. If Jackson can catch Herol 'Bomber' Graham with his right hand, then he can certainly catch Roy Jones with it.

Jones could of fought Gerald McClellan between 1989 and 1995, the G-Man was undefeated in the 1990's until quitting with a bloodclot on the brain in a fight with Nigel Benn. The G-Man had 20 1st-round wins to his name and was the WBC 160 champ. McClellan defeated Jones at the 1988 Golden Gloves.

Jones could of fought Nigel Benn between 1989 and 1996, Benn had only lost one fight in the 1990's before the McClellan bout finished him and that was a brutal battle with the world-class Chris Eubank - nothing to be ashamed of. Benn was 22-0 with 22 KO's at one point, he travelled to America to fight in 1989 and 1990 and knocked out Doug DeWitt and Iran Barkley in their own backyard of America to win World titles, he went on to make 10 defences of his WBC crown. ROY JONES WAS NIGEL BENN'S MANDATORY CONTENDER AT SUPER-MIDDLEWEIGHT IN 1992/1993, ROY JONES WAS WBC CONTINENTAL AMERICAS SUPER-MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION WHILE BENN WAS WBC MAIN CHAMPION. SO ROY JONES CLEARLY DUCKED NIGEL BENN BECAUSE HE DROPPED BACK DOWN TO 160 INSTEAD TO FIGHT FOR THE VACANT IBF TITLE AGAINST HOPKINS(Hopkins wasn't even ranked in the top five at 160 at the time so that win means nothing).

Chris Eubank was undefeated for 10 years as a professional, he was unbeaten in his first 43 fights, he was a two-weight World Champion and called out Jones time and time again in 1996. He even rang Jones up. He even rang HBO up and told them that he'd publicly bet $1,000 on knocking Jones Jr out in the 1st-round so it would sell good. But Jones avoided him, blatantly wouldn't let him near him.

Frankie Liles defeated Roy Jones as an amateur, he scored a standing count on Jones as an amateur in another bout, he was a good fighter and a World Champion at 168 from 1994 to 1998. He was a tall Southpaw and he could punch. I wonder why Jones avoided him eh?

Stevie Collins turned into a man posessed, in 1994/1995 he hired a psychologist, started using weights, hired a nutritionist, started working with Freddie Roach, grew a goatee beard and began calling himself 'The Celtic Warrior'. He switched from depressed boxer into marauding warrior and would of taken Jones to places that he has never been before. This is the most blatant fight that Jones dodged, Collins was very rugged and awkward as well as being very smart and fearless - he didn't let you breath. He sent both Benn and Eubank into retirement, beating both of them twice apiece and then travelled to Pensacola for all of Jones' fights - Collins climbed into the ring after Jones' fights and called him a coward in front of the whole of the US, he went to the post-fight press conferences and told everybody that Jones was a yellow dog. You name it and Collins did it. But Jones clearly avoided Stevie for a good three years in the mid-90's befire Collins finally called it a day and gave up, concluding that Jones was scared of him and knowing that he'd of beaten him!