Prime De La Hoya would have BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Khalid X]

Which weight would that be? 135 or 147 or both?

Well this is what makes it difficult. Since Manny was a LW when he fought Oscar, I'm using the version that beat Oscar (since the Diaz fight isn't a fair gauge due to Manny destroying him) vs. the Shane that fought Holiday, Molina and Golden Johnson.

You know what though..... it's so many factors in this and actually it's very hard to say. We never really got to see how good Manny was a LW due to him moving up quick, and on the other hand Shane didn't fight any elite fighters there IMO as well. Also (I know I will get hate for this but..) It took Shane some time to carry his power up with him. Yeah I know he KO'd some B level fighters but he couldn't hurt Vernon. When Mayorga fought him Ricardo crushed him with several of his shots. Also I didn't see Cotto get punished against Shane but Manny beat the **** outta him. So as far as WW, man I really don't know.

I do feel that Manny is clearly faster at WW than Shane is, for the simple fact that Shane has never blew people away with his speed. At no time in his career have I heard Shane's opponents mentioning they could see his punches coming or Shane blitzing guys with his speed.

[letsgobrady]

JMM counterpunching ability, punching technique, boxing IQ, boxing skill, stamina, accuracy, combination even defense in his prime was so much better than Oscar....

i don't know who wasi better but i think oscar fought the tougher competition and he did it threw out his career and marquez defense is never better than oscars defense was in his prime but technique in my oppinion does go to marquez everything else is kinda to close to call

[jrosales13]

Mayweather beats any version of DLH period.

Pacquiao ducked a past prime Mosley who offered 90% of the purse to Pac and at a catchweight. This fight would have made him more money then Cotto and Mosley was the legimate WW champion of the world so it would have enhanced his legacy takeing this fight. I could see a prime Molsey takeing Pacs best shots and hurting him leading to an eventual stoppage.

Prime DLH would be too big for Pac if allowed to rehydrate and would be able to outbox him with the jab. DLH had a good chin so not as if Pac could hurt him. Prime DLH would be to slick for Pac and would have been avoided by Roach/Arum/Muhammad.

this post failed just with that one line.

[Khalid X]

he stopped because he couldn't catch miguel yet manny supposedly has this incredible foot speed and foot work.manny's footwork is the most overrated thing in boxing right now

If that is what you got from that, then more power to you. Not to sound like a ****, but that is like a team being up 66-0, with 3 minutes left in a game, and kneeling every play to get the game over. Would you turn around and say that team is a poor fourth quarter team, just because they showed mercy upon their opponent?

[Doctor_Tenma]

People hate Oscar so much, that they refuse to acknowledge how great he once was. Same goes for Bernard Hopkins.

[jrosales13]

i don't know who wasi better but i think oscar fought the tougher competition and he did it threw out his career and marquez defense is never better than oscars defense was in his prime but technique in my oppinion does go to marquez everything else is kinda to close to call

Watch a prime JMM fight, Oscar got hit way too much in his prime. If JMM didn't want to get hit. He would play counter-puncher all day make you miss and make you pay in his prime. Especially when he was promoted by the Forum and fought at the great western Forum in Cali.

And, Oscar fighting tougher comp? Maybe, he definitely fought the bigger names but were they tougher? I don't know, I can't say...

I am going to steal a line from IMDAZED is not who but when.

Oscar fought a lot of big names but that don't mean they were tough fights at the time Oscar fought him... Don't look at who but look at when he fought them.

A prime JMM is more skilled then a prime Oscar.

[jrosales13]

People hate Oscar so much, that they refuse to acknowledge how great he once was. Same goes for Bernard Hopkins.

He was good, **** he is a HOF'er first ballot too. But, don't make him out to be greater then what he was. Hopkins ATG fighter, Oscar no he is not a ATG fighter but he is a sure fire first ballot HOF'er.

[edgarg]

Frankly,

I don't like Oscar, never did, but I agree with you, that he would have been too much for Mayweather. Mayweather, by running, might have lasted the fight, but, in my opinion, would not win. Oscar was really good as a lightweight and Jr.Welter, with a very heVY

[Doctor_Tenma]

JMM counterpunching ability, punching technique, boxing IQ, boxing skill, stamina, accuracy, combination even defense in his prime was so much better than Oscar....

Jab: Oscar
Power: Oscar
Speed: Oscar (Not even close)
Accuracy: Same
Foowork: Oscar (Not even close)
Stamina: Marquez (Only because Oscar wasn't consistent with his conditioning).
Combination Puching: Same
Defense: Oscar (Don't even go there)
Boxing IQ: Marquez
Chin: Oscar

So listen,

What I'm saying is, Oscar's arsenal is better equiped for Pacquiao then Marquez. The reason I say this is because of Oscar's overall speed; athleticism, size, power, footwork, jab, chin. Entiendes?

[letsgobrady]

If that is what you got from that, then more power to you. Not to sound like a ****, but that is like a team being up 66-0, with 3 minutes left in a game, and kneeling every play to get the game over. Would you turn around and say that team is a poor fourth quarter team, just because they showed mercy upon their opponent?

not the same ****,didn't floyd win every round against marquez? yet floyd didn't stop boxing, was shane not dominatin his fight with margharito?yet shane didn't let him off the hook and the manny-cotto fight was more competetive than both those fights and in other sports like basketball the coach will sit you down if you are blowin the team out so how can they have a poor 4th quarter if they are not playin? you can not compare boxing to team sports because they are nothing the same