Prime De La Hoya would have BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Khalid X]

How about when Solis started using the ring? This wasn't the 1st time Pacquiao's inability to cut off the ring has showed. Also what was all that; standing in the middle of the ring and taunting Cotto to come in about? Be real now. Oscar's overall size and athleticism would enable him to outbox Pacquiao; keep him at the very end. What Marquez didn't have was the legs to get out of range once he got off, and we all know a prime Oscar has those.

honestly bro, and I don't mean any disrespect by this because I like you as a poster, but when someone is constantly running and refusing to fight that will frustrate any fighter. Now if Cotto was using footwork and movement to create angles and boxing on his toes, then I could see this argument. The fact is Cotto was in survival mode and just trying to make it to the bell. Manny was taunting Miguel's ***** @ss survival tatics and that had nothing to do with Manny's inability to cut off the ring.

What went through my head was it was like Manny saying "Come on your a proud warrior/professional boxer, why are you embarrassing yourself in front of millions of people like this?"

[letsgobrady]

Watch a prime JMM fight, Oscar got hit way too much in his prime. If JMM didn't want to get hit. He would play counter-puncher all day make you miss and make you pay in his prime. Especially when he was promoted by the Forum and fought at the great western Forum in Cali.

And, Oscar fighting tougher comp? Maybe, he definitely fought the bigger names but were they tougher? I don't know, I can't say...

I am going to steal a line from IMDAZED is not who but when.

Oscar fought a lot of big names but that don't mean they were tough fights at the time Oscar fought him... Don't look at who but look at when he fought them.

A prime JMM is more skilled then a prime Oscar.

same goes for marquez the biggest names on his resume are barrera pacquiao diaz and cassamayor you can arguablly say that barrera and cassamayor were no where neart prime at the time and diaz wasn't lookin like the fighter he was before losin to campbell

[Khalid X]

not the same ****,didn't floyd win every round against marquez? yet floyd didn't stop boxing,

Yes he completely dominated Marquez and I felt he carried Marquez as well.

was shane not dominatin his fight with margharito?yet shane didn't let him off the hook

Yes he was but he didn't let up on Tony. Shane actually put the pedal to the medal when he had Tony hurt and put him away accordingly. Tony, however wasn't running like Cotto and was trying to fight to the last second (something Cotto clearly did not do). Outta curiousity, what does that have to do with anything as comparing Cotto vs Pacquiao to Shane vs Margarito is like comparing apples to oranges.

and the manny-cotto fight was more competetive than both those fights

I agree with this because Cotto did win some early rounds. However in the second half of the fight, Both Mosley vs Margarito and Mayweather vs Marquez were more competitive than Cotto vs Pacquiao for the simple fact that both Margarito and Marquez were atleast trying to do something even though they were getting dominated. Can you honestly say the same for Cotto in championship rounds against Manny Pacquiao.

and in other sports like basketball the coach will sit you down if you are blowin the team out so how can they have a poor 4th quarter if they are not playin? you can not compare boxing to team sports because they are nothing the same

The only comparions I'm making with those two is the mercy factor both imply. Even with backups in the game, the coaches still call water down plays outta mercy, and don't pull the trigger on teams they have respect for. Whenever someone shows mercy, regardless of the sport, how can anyone use that against them. That is the point I'm making, and why I was saying it's not a fair critism to say someone is ineffective when it's clear they are taking it easy on their opposition.

[jrosales13]

same goes for marquez the biggest names on his resume are barrera pacquiao diaz and cassamayor you can arguablly say that barrera and cassamayor were no where neart prime at the time and diaz wasn't lookin like the fighter he was before losin to campbell

I guess... you can also say JMM didn't get as many chances as Oscar to fight the big names in his prime.

In any case overall skill wise prime JMM>prime Oscar. Defense wise prime JMM>Oscar check out JMM in his forum days.

[jrosales13]

Jab: Oscar
Power: Oscar
Speed: Oscar (Not even close)
Accuracy: Same
Foowork: Oscar (Not even close)
Stamina: Marquez (Only because Oscar wasn't consistent with his conditioning).
Combination Puching: Same
Defense: Oscar (Don't even go there)
Boxing IQ: Marquez
Chin: Oscar

So listen,

What I'm saying is, Oscar's arsenal is better equiped for Pacquiao then Marquez. The reason I say this is because of Oscar's overall speed; athleticism, size, power, footwork, jab, chin. Entiendes?

I disagree with all them in the bold.... Well maybe Oscar P4P power is better. Left hook was pretty good. JMM left hook was just as good maybe with not enough power but just as effective.

LOL @ Oscar pitty pat combos being the same as JMM combos...

Oscar wasn't slick, you should study a prime JMM as much as you do a prime Oscar.

Accuracy is not the same,

[Doctor_Tenma]

I disagree with all them in the bold.... Well maybe Oscar P4P power is better. Left hook was pretty good. JMM left hook was just as good maybe with not enough power but just as effective.

LOL @ Oscar pitty pat combos being the same as JMM combos...

Oscar wasn't slick, you should study a prime JMM as much as you do a prime Oscar.

Accuracy is not the same,

Jros,

I've seen enough of both. In fact I started off as a fan of DLH.

[jrosales13]

Jros,

I've seen enough of both. In fact I started off as a fan of DLH.

Yea I can tell...

To say that Oscar defense is better than a prime JMM is not really watching JMM in his prime. Or just overrated the hell out of Oscar. At best their defense is the same.

[xcaret v3]

Oscar was known for losing to elite fighters. Yet somehow he would beat the best fighter hed ever face. Gotcha.

just like he lost to steroid mosley? he wait he got robbed...


dlh version that fought mosley would of beaten floyd, without a doubt, stop your nuthugging... floyd is only undefeated because he has never fought the same level of opposition oscar did... cant say the same **** about floyd can you? NOPE.

[ILLuminato]

Oscar would beat him like he did Quartey, or it would be simlar to Whitaker but Floyd doesn't run as much and is a bit easier to hit.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

just like he lost to steroid mosley? he wait he got robbed...


dlh version that fought mosley would of beaten floyd, without a doubt, stop your nuthugging... floyd is only undefeated because he has never fought the same level of opposition oscar did... cant say the same **** about floyd can you? NOPE.

What are you on about? Oscar is not good enough to beat Mayweather at any weight. Floyd would beat him at every weight class Oscar fought at INCLUDING 160.