60/40 for Floyd fair?

[The Big Dunn]

Answer this simple question.

Name a fighter floyd can fight that can break ppv records with him aside from pac?

If you found the fighter that can break PPV numbers with him I guess Floyd really deserves 60/40

I'll wait for your answer if you found the guy =P

IT was tough to respond to everything. The point is if you look at it strictly economically floyd generates more money so he would likely deserve more of the pot.

All the other bs doesn't matter. Manny was fotd, p4p champ and 7 div champ when he fought clottey and couldn't generate 800k ppv sales. If you compare manny and floyd vs same opponenets manny doesn't draw as well.

IMO the original poster is confusing accolades and accomplishments in the ring with money generated. Thats a foolish mistake. No one would EVER say Gatti was better than Shane Mosley. Yet he did much better on ppv and filled AC every time he fought.

The plain fact is more people pay to see floyd fight than pays to see manny fight even though manny has all the awards and accolades. Does it mean floyd should get 60% I don't know. I know if I was negotiating I'd start at that point.

[Spoon23]

IT was tough to respond to everything. The point is if you look at it strictly economically floyd generates more money so he would likely deserve more of the pot.

All the other bs doesn't matter. Manny was fotd, p4p champ and 7 div champ when he fought clottey and couldn't generate 800k ppv sales. If you compare manny and floyd vs same opponenets manny doesn't draw as well.

IMO the original poster is confusing accolades and accomplishments in the ring with money generated. Thats a foolish mistake. No one would EVER say Gatti was better than Shane Mosley. Yet he did much better on ppv and filled AC every time he fought.

The plain fact is more people pay to see floyd fight than pays to see manny fight even though manny has all the awards and accolades. Does it mean floyd should get 60% I don't know. I know if I was negotiating I'd start at that point.

coz there is none, therefore they need each other to creat that ppv breaking result.

Name a fighter floyd can fight that can break ppv records with him aside from pac?

If you found the fighter that can break PPV numbers with him I guess Floyd really deserves 60/40

I'll wait for your answer if you found the guy =P still waiting..



Pac wasn't a house hold name yet when he fought DLH. It was after beating DLH that made him a popular boxer when he made DLH quit in his stool. Mayweather was already a star when he fought DLH and had fought in american soil in more years than pac.

It was after DLH that shoot him up as a house hold name. Pac was going up in popularity.

When Pac fought hatton it was 850k while before that mayweather fought hatton for 900k. (note hatton that time was undefeated so it was more sale able to the viewing public knowing their both undefeated fighting each other.

When Pac fought Hatton he still did 850k even if Hatton's star power wasn't the same like when he faced Mayweather coz he wasn't undefeated anymore.

The best way of gauging their populartiy is their present fight that had "24/7" and commercial hype, which was the cotto,pac fight and Mayweather mosely fight.

You can't pay a hollywood actor a huge talent fee if his star power is waning down. If a holllywood actor was big in the 90's but not anymore at present. Will you still pay him the huge amount he commands in the past? Ofcourse not, you give him his talent on assumption of his star quality @ present.

Hence, the best comparison is the closest present fight which both having 24/7 and commercials.

Note: Mosely Mayweather promotion was way up in promoting hype and commercials compared to cotto pac. Golden Boy spent a ton of money in commercials and billboards etc. And there numbers where close 1.25 pac, cotto, 1.4 may, mosely.

Btw, Mayweather and Mosely are both americans who are asking american viewing pubic to pay HBO PPV.

If pac was an american he could have done even more for sure. In his country alone he shuts down his country literally. No one works, evident that a fighter of his caliber is supported by his own people as Ali was supported by americans, Roy jones, sugar ray, Hagler, Hearns etc.

knowing these facts and common sense, they both deserve a 50/50 split.

PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.250 million ppv.

Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.

Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.

They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.

If Floyd has to be a greedy bastard the most he can ask is 55/45 no more no less. If it's 60/40 he is definitely ducking the fight again plain and simple.

He is over pricing himself if he asks more than a 55/45 split.

Common sense should dictate a 50/50 split, but just so it happens 55/45 is fine with me and most fans, more than that is just crazy talk, Boxing fans make this fight happen!

If Floyd will insist to a 60/40 boxing fans should expose Floyd as the ducker he really is!

p4p accolade in itself will sell the fight it's rediculous to nthink credentials don't mean ****. People want to see the best fight the 2nd best ina sport, Kobe vs Lebron/ Bird vs Magic etc

It's like being a general in the military, you saying it doesn't mean **** to private or seargents his having stars?? You don't make sense really..

Oh yea having 6 nba champoinship rings won't make a player more likable and interesting for the public viewers.

Being p4p 7 division 4 lineal champion makes him a dominant force just as Michael Jordan ws a dominant force in the nba. So please don't be a dumbass and say it ain't important in the negotiations.. Being p4p helps in promoting the fight and other credentials that make a fighter elite will sell a fight

[The Big Dunn]

Spoon 23:

The stuff you are pointing out, while true, is irrelevant in bottom line business. Of course they need each other to generate the biggest payday. If they don't fight each other floyd would get paid more than manny to fight. If they fight the same fighter, floyd will get paid more.As far as 24/7 goes, HBO created 24/7 FOR FLOYD!!

Your movie analogy is crazy. Stars get paid because thier movies sell. If a star is old or young if they sell they get paid. And thats what this is about.

Manny has several INTANGIBLES but they have not tranlated to as much money generated as floyd does. Its just that simple. Manny generates less, gets paid less than floyd when he fights, generates less sales when he fights. Period.

[Spoon23]

Spoon 23:

The stuff you are pointing out, while true, is irrelevant in bottom line business. Of course they need each other to generate the biggest payday. If they don't fight each other floyd would get paid more than manny to fight. If they fight the same fighter, floyd will get paid more.As far as 24/7 goes, HBO created 24/7 FOR FLOYD!!

Your movie analogy is crazy. Stars get paid because thier movies sell. If a star is old or young if they sell they get paid. And thats what this is about.

Manny has several INTANGIBLES but they have not tranlated to as much money generated as floyd does. Its just that simple. Manny generates less, gets paid less than floyd when he fights, generates less sales when he fights. Period.

Name a fighter floyd can fight that can break ppv records with him aside from pac?

If you found the fighter that can break PPV numbers with him I guess Floyd really deserves 60/40

I'll wait for your answer if you found the guy =P

Still wating................................

[The Big Dunn]

Sppon 23:

I answered you twice no one can. But breaking ppv records isn't definite thats what you seem to forget. Its likely floyd manny will be the highest selling ppv but its not definite. What if the fight only sell 2.3 mil ppv's great but less than floyd odh.

Look at it from manny's point, he cant make $20 mil unless he fights floyd. floyd has made $20 mil for 3 fights (odh, hatton, mosley). floyd got more for marquez than manny got for cotto or clottey.

Its not about who you like or don't like. Its about economics 101. floyd has proven to sell more than manny.

[Spoon23]

Sppon 23:

I answered you twice no one can. But breaking ppv records isn't definite thats what you seem to forget. Its likely floyd manny will be the highest selling ppv but its not definite. What if the fight only sell 2.3 mil ppv's great but less than floyd odh.

Look at it from manny's point, he cant make $20 mil unless he fights floyd. floyd has made $20 mil for 3 fights (odh, hatton, mosley). floyd got more for marquez than manny got for cotto or clottey.

Its not about who you like or don't like. Its about economics 101. floyd has proven to sell more than manny.

Comparison should be the recent fight with 24/7 and huge marketing: which is Pac vs Cotto, May vs Mosely

Note: they threw more promotional cost in the Mosely May fight take it from me or this reply will get longer.

PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.350m ppv including the final 100k tally that had to be added.

Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.

Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.

They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.

THE END.

[The Big Dunn]

Comparison should be the recent fight with 24/7 and huge marketing: which is Pac vs Cotto, May vs Mosely

Note: they threw more promotional cost in the Mosely May fight take it from me or this reply will get longer.

PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.350m ppv including the final 100k tally that had to be added.

Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.

Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.

They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.

THE END.

Dude, HBO didn't give pac a 24/7 for clottey because they knew it wasn't cost effective. They knew manny wasn't doing big numbers and didn't invest as much money into it as they would for floyd.

Don't be mad at floyd fans for that!

[Spoon23]

Dude, HBO didn't give pac a 24/7 for clottey because they knew it wasn't cost effective. They knew manny wasn't doing big numbers and didn't invest as much money into it as they would for floyd.

Don't be mad at floyd fans for that!

Wooh take it easy bro no one is mad hear, everything cool in my side hehe! I'll give you a better example. ATG even has tune-up fights Ali, sugar, etc..

DLH fought Mayorga in a tune-up fight.. DLH was the cash-cow that time, Mayorga wasn't that known like Clottey was when he faced Pac..

You know the ppv numbers in that fight? 500k that's it, even lower than Pac Clottey..

Do you consider DLH not anymore a cash cow because of his poor ppv numbers for that fight during that point in time he is called the cash cow.

Ofcourse he still is..

So ppv numbers are relative to amount of competition he is faced on and how known and popular his opponent will be.

[featherFist]

60-40?

OK.

60-40 in favor of the winner. And you know who will be the last man standing.

Stop convincing yourself people!

[Spoon23]

It really doesn't matter though because Floyd will be guarnteed 20+ mill with whoever he fights while PAC will be offered 10-13 mill that just shows right there who promoters/hbo think is the bigger draw Floyd outsold PAC 2-1 plain and simple Marquez ain't a draw and u will see that when that fight comes around yet Floyd did a 1 mill numbers don't lie love for a fighter doesn't meen he deserves 50/50 in before march he did but when backed out and 700k to pbf 1.4 mill call it what u want if clottey ain't a draw or known then what the hell are u doin fightin him?

Seems like you don't really care if they fight each other.. Doesn't matter? Real boxing fans wants this to happen only a ***** would want this not to happen coz there scared really scared of pac you a *****??

Pac wasn't a house hold name yet when he fought DLH. It was after beating DLH that made him a popular boxer when he made DLH quit in his stool. Mayweather was already a star when he fought DLH and had fought in american soil in more years than pac.

It was after DLH that shoot him up as a house hold name. Pac was going up in popularity.

When Pac fought hatton it was 850k while before that mayweather fought hatton for 900k. (note hatton that time was undefeated so it was more sale able to the viewing public knowing their both undefeated fighting each other.

When Pac fought Hatton he still did 850k even if Hatton's star power wasn't the same like when he faced Mayweather coz he wasn't undefeated anymore.

The best way of gauging their populartiy is their present fight that had "24/7" and commercial hype, which was the cotto,pac fight and Mayweather mosely fight.

You can't pay a hollywood actor a huge talent fee if his star power is waning down. If a holllywood actor was big in the 90's but not anymore at present. Will you still pay him the huge amount he commands in the past? Ofcourse not, you give him his talent on assumption of his star quality @ present.

Hence, the best comparison is the closest present fight which both having 24/7 and commercials.

Note: Mosely Mayweather promotion was way up in promoting hype and commercials compared to cotto pac. Golden Boy spent a ton of money in commercials and billboards etc. And there numbers where close 1.25 pac, cotto, 1.4 may, mosely.

Btw, Mayweather and Mosely are both americans who are asking american viewing pubic to pay HBO PPV.

If pac was an american he could have done even more for sure. In his country alone he shuts down his country literally. No one works, evident that a fighter of his caliber is supported by his own people as Ali was supported by americans, Roy jones, sugar ray, Hagler, Hearns etc.

knowing these facts and common sense, they both deserve a 50/50 split.

You can't pay a hollywood actor a huge talent fee if his star power is waning down. If a holllywood actor was big in the 90's but not anymore at present. Will you still pay him the huge amount he commands in the past? Ofcourse not, you give him his talent on assumption of his star quality @ present.

Hence, the best comparison is the closest present fight which both having 24/7 and commercials.


PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.350 including the final 100k count.

Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.

Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.

They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.

If Floyd has to be a greedy bastard the most he can ask is 55/45 no more no less. If it's 60/40 he is definitely ducking the fight again plain and simple.

He is over pricing himself if he asks more than a 55/45 split.

Common sense should dictate a 50/50 split, but just so it happens 55/45 is fine with me and most fans, more than that is just crazy talk, Boxing fans make this fight happen!

If Floyd will insist to a 60/40 boxing fans should expose Floyd as the ducker he really is!