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  • Deep Blue 1997
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    #81
    Originally posted by Spoon23
    Huh? Pacman was bigger in popularity than hatton was, and hatton wanted 50-50? Plus the fact pacman was highly decorated already p4p, 4 lineal champ, 5 division champ to add to the negotiations. Infact it should be 60/40 for pac, but pac ain't greedy to ask for a 60/40 split.
    and according to Mayweather's PPV numbers compared to that of Manny's, he (Mayweather) is the more popular of the two. and now manny wants 50-50? ...same as your example really.

    and again decorations such as P4P title, don't mean much when it comes to the money split. or else Manny and Floyd should have gotten the higher percentage when they faced De La Hoya.

    but really, 50 / 50 is fine. but mayweather has a good argument for asking for a higher percentage, thats all i'm saying.

    and like i've previously mentioned, 60 / 40 in his favor is too much.
    and that's where he is at fault.
    Last edited by Deep Blue 1997; 06-21-2010, 03:10 AM.

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      #82
      Originally posted by mr.applesauce
      and according to Mayweather's PPV numbers compared to that of Manny's, he (Mayweather) is the more popular of the two. and now manny wants 50-50? ...same as your example really.

      and again decorations such as P4P title, don't mean much when it comes to the money split. or else Manny and Floyd should have gotten the higher percentage when they faced De La Hoya.

      but really, 50 / 50 is fine. but mayweather has a good argument for asking for a higher percentage, thats all i'm saying.

      and like i've previously mentioned, 60 / 40 in his favor is too much.
      and that's where he is at fault.
      Clottey vs Pac had 'NO' 24/7. 24/7 are only done for super fights like Pac/cotto, May/mosely. knowing that read up below.

      Pac wasn't a house hold name yet when he fought DLH. It was after beating DLH that made him a popular boxer when he made DLH quit in his stool. Mayweather was already a star when he fought DLH and had fought in american soil in more years than pac.

      It was after DLH that shoot him up as a house hold name. Pac was going up in popularity.

      When Pac fought hatton it was 850k while before that mayweather fought hatton for 900k. (note hatton that time was undefeated so it was more sale able to the viewing public knowing their both undefeated fighting each other.

      When Pac fought Hatton he still did 850k even if Hatton's star power wasn't the same like when he faced Mayweather coz he wasn't undefeated anymore.

      The best way of gauging their populartiy is their present fight that had "24/7" and commercial hype, which was the cotto,pac fight and Mayweather mosely fight.

      You can't pay a hollywood actor a huge talent fee if his star power is waning down. If a holllywood actor was big in the 90's but not anymore at present. Will you still pay him the huge amount he commands in the past? Ofcourse not, you give him his talent on assumption of his star quality @ present.

      Hence, the best comparison is the closest present fight which both having 24/7 and commercials.

      Note: Mosely Mayweather promotion was way up in promoting hype and commercials compared to cotto pac. Golden Boy spent a ton of money in commercials and billboards etc. And there numbers where close 1.35 including the 100k numbers that came up during the final tally for pac, cotto, 1.4 may, mosely.

      Btw, Mayweather and Mosely are both americans who are asking american viewing pubic to pay HBO PPV.

      If pac was an american he could have done even more for sure. In his country alone he shuts down his country literally. No one works, evident that a fighter of his caliber is supported by his own people as Ali was supported by americans, Roy jones, sugar ray, Hagler, Hearns etc.

      knowing these facts and common sense, they both deserve a 50/50 split.

      PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.250 million ppv.

      Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.

      Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.

      They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.

      If Floyd has to be a greedy bastard the most he can ask is 55/45 no more no less. If it's 60/40 he is definitely ducking the fight again plain and simple.

      He is over pricing himself if he asks more than a 55/45 split.

      Common sense should dictate a 50/50 split, but just so it happens 55/45 is fine with me and most fans, more than that is just crazy talk, Boxing fans make this fight happen!

      If Floyd will insist to a 60/40 boxing fans should expose Floyd as the ducker he really is!
      Last edited by Spoon23; 06-21-2010, 03:58 AM.

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        #83
        Originally posted by Spoon23
        Clottey vs Pac had 'NO' 24/7. 24/7 are only done for super fights like Pac/cotto, May/mosely. knowing that read up below.

        Pac wasn't a house hold name yet when he fought DLH. It was after beating DLH that made him a popular boxer when he made DLH quit in his stool. Mayweather was already a star when he fought DLH and had fought in american soil in more years than pac.

        It was after DLH that shoot him up as a house hold name. Pac was going up in popularity.

        When Pac fought hatton it was 850k while before that mayweather fought hatton for 900k. (note hatton that time was undefeated so it was more sale able to the viewing public knowing their both undefeated fighting each other.

        When Pac fought Hatton he still did 850k even if Hatton's star power wasn't the same like when he faced Mayweather coz he wasn't undefeated anymore.

        The best way of gauging their populartiy is their present fight that had "24/7" and commercial hype, which was the cotto,pac fight and Mayweather mosely fight.

        You can't pay a hollywood actor a huge talent fee if his star power is waning down. If a holllywood actor was big in the 90's but not anymore at present. Will you still pay him the huge amount he commands in the past? Ofcourse not, you give him his talent on assumption of his star quality @ present.

        Hence, the best comparison is the closest present fight which both having 24/7 and commercials.

        Note: Mosely Mayweather promotion was way up in promoting hype and commercials compared to cotto pac. Golden Boy spent a ton of money in commercials and billboards etc. And there numbers where close 1.35 including the 100k numbers that came up during the final tally for pac, cotto, 1.4 may, mosely.

        Btw, Mayweather and Mosely are both americans who are asking american viewing pubic to pay HBO PPV.

        If pac was an american he could have done even more for sure. In his country alone he shuts down his country literally. No one works, evident that a fighter of his caliber is supported by his own people as Ali was supported by americans, Roy jones, sugar ray, Hagler, Hearns etc.

        knowing these facts and common sense, they both deserve a 50/50 split.

        PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.250 million ppv.

        Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.

        Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.

        They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.

        If Floyd has to be a greedy bastard the most he can ask is 55/45 no more no less. If it's 60/40 he is definitely ducking the fight again plain and simple.

        He is over pricing himself if he asks more than a 55/45 split.

        Common sense should dictate a 50/50 split, but just so it happens 55/45 is fine with me and most fans, more than that is just crazy talk, Boxing fans make this fight happen!

        If Floyd will insist to a 60/40 boxing fans should expose Floyd as the ducker he really is!

        Manny does not sell his fights through 24/7 ,bruh.
        people watch Pac because of his exciting style ... Pacquiao vs Clottey 24 / 7 would not have done much for them, hence the reason for not making one.

        Mayweather on the otherhand resorts to making people hate him due to his style not being as fan friendly.

        but at the end of the day, no matter what the reason; the PPV numbers are more successful in Mayweather's side.


        and Mosley is not as big a PPV star as Miguel Cotto.
        as Roach said : "why fight Mosley, when we can make double with Cotto?" right?
        if he was, we would have seen Mosley vs. Margo on PPV as well.

        and you talk as if i am for a 60 / 40 split in favor of Floyd.
        as i have clearly stated i am not. haha

        but come on man, when you are at a negotiation people try to get as much as they can at first.. then they NEGOTIATE.

        but if Floyd does not take the fight because it isn't 50 / 50,
        that would be a very very questionable move.

        why make no money at all when you could make millions evenly as your opponent, right?

        but i'm confident they will meet somewhere a long the line.
        there is too much money for this fight not to happen

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          #84
          Originally posted by mr.applesauce
          Manny does not sell his fights through 24/7 ,bruh.
          people watch Pac because of his exciting style ... Pacquiao vs Clottey 24 / 7 would not have done much for them, hence the reason for not making one.

          Mayweather on the otherhand resorts to making people hate him due to his style not being as fan friendly.

          but at the end of the day, no matter what the reason; the PPV numbers are more successful in Mayweather's side.


          and Mosley is not as big a PPV star as Miguel Cotto.
          as Roach said : "why fight Mosley, when we can make double with Cotto?" right?
          if he was, we would have seen Mosley vs. Margo on PPV as well.

          and you talk as if i am for a 60 / 40 split in favor of Floyd.
          as i have clearly stated i am not. haha

          but come on man, when you are at a negotiation people try to get as much as they can at first.. then they NEGOTIATE.

          but if Floyd does not take the fight because it isn't 50 / 50,
          that would be a very very questionable move.

          why make no money at all when you could make millions evenly as your opponent, right?

          but i'm confident they will meet somewhere a long the line.
          there is too much money for this fight not to happen
          Geez, you don't make any sense at all.. It's like I'm talking to a wall.. A kinder kid would make more sense than you.. 24/7 doesn't promote? You seriouse? They throw millions of dollars to promote 24/7 and you say it is not advertising and hyping a super fight?? Geez my man grow some logic lol

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            #85
            Originally posted by Spoon23
            Geez, you don't make any sense at all.. It's like I'm talking to a wall.. A kinder kid would make more sense than you.. 24/7 doesn't promote? You seriouse? They throw millions of dollars to promote 24/7 and you say it is not advertising and hyping a super fight?? Geez my man grow some logic lol
            haha i get the same feeling when i talk to you.

            in no way shape or form did i say that 24 / 7 does not promote.
            try to actually read what i wrote next time yeah?

            i am saying, a Pacquiao and Clottey 24/7 would not have done much for them.

            most people do not watch Manny's 24/7 and find it as exciting,

            specially with Clottey, come on man seriously?

            you thought they chose not to make a 24/7 for that fight just for kicks or what?

            ...or maybe they knew a Pac/Clottey 24/7 wasn't gonna be successful and not do much for them?

            and i'm done arguing,
            i hate talking about Mayweather really.

            & we're obviously not getting anywhere here.

            just try to be a little less biased buddy, and grow some logic yourself next time lol you need it

            and no hate

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              #86
              Originally posted by mr.applesauce
              haha i get the same feeling when i talk to you.

              in no way shape or form did i say that 24 / 7 does not promote.
              try to actually read what i wrote next time yeah?

              i am saying, a Pacquiao and Clottey 24/7 would not have done much for them.

              most people do not watch Manny's 24/7 and find it as exciting,

              specially with Clottey, come on man seriously?

              you thought they chose not to make a 24/7 for that fight just for kicks or what?

              ...or maybe they knew a Pac/Clottey 24/7 wasn't gonna be successful and not do much for them?

              and i'm done arguing,
              i hate talking about Mayweather really.

              & we're obviously not getting anywhere here.

              just try to be a little less biased buddy, and grow some logic yourself next time lol you need it

              and no hate
              You need a mirror man seriously lol

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                #87
                the split should be 50/50 . Pac performed better than floyd against their mutual opponents.
                PAC is the current #1 P4P. Floyd is #2.
                And Why is the poll not public ?

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by mr.applesauce
                  Manny does not sell his fights through 24/7 ,bruh.
                  people watch Pac because of his exciting style ... Pacquiao vs Clottey 24 / 7 would not have done much for them, hence the reason for not making one.

                  Mayweather on the otherhand resorts to making people hate him due to his style not being as fan friendly.

                  but at the end of the day, no matter what the reason; the PPV numbers are more successful in Mayweather's side.


                  and Mosley is not as big a PPV star as Miguel Cotto.
                  as Roach said : "why fight Mosley, when we can make double with Cotto?" right?
                  if he was, we would have seen Mosley vs. Margo on PPV as well.

                  and you talk as if i am for a 60 / 40 split in favor of Floyd.
                  as i have clearly stated i am not. haha

                  but come on man, when you are at a negotiation people try to get as much as they can at first.. then they NEGOTIATE.

                  but if Floyd does not take the fight because it isn't 50 / 50,
                  that would be a very very questionable move.

                  why make no money at all when you could make millions evenly as your opponent, right?

                  but i'm confident they will meet somewhere a long the line.
                  there is too much money for this fight not to happen
                  Coming from you:

                  Manny does not sell his fights through 24/7 ,bruh.
                  people watch Pac because of his exciting style ... Pacquiao vs Clottey 24 / 7 would not have done much for them, hence the reason for not making one.

                  My take, 24/7 is reserved only for super fights. Clottey is not a house hold name only *****s would say he is a popular fighter lol

                  24/7 are reserved only for super fights like: Pac Cotto, May Mosely fights.

                  Pac Clottey is like a tune-up fight for pac only. As Dlh only sold 500k ppv when he fought Mayorga even if DLH was a cash cow then.

                  It takes 2 to tango a super fight are fights that are 2 great known fighters fighting each other.

                  Hope you learned something new my man

                  Is that understandable enough for you geez
                  Last edited by Spoon23; 06-21-2010, 06:28 AM.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by frankenfrank
                    the split should be 50/50 . Pac performed better than floyd against their mutual opponents.
                    PAC is the current #1 P4P. Floyd is #2.
                    And Why is the poll not public ?
                    what do you mean not public? You can't see it?

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                    • jaskieee
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                      #90
                      I got a solution how about winner gets 60 loser gets 40 similar to Bernard Hopkins vs Roy Jones Jr II

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