Where Do You Rank Roy Jones All Time?

[Imira]

I'd say Roy Jones was the most dominant at LHW:

1. Michael Spinks
2. Ezzard Charles
3. Gene Tunney
4. Archie Moore
5. Charley Burley
6. Harry Greb
7. Tommy Loughran
8. Sam Langford
9. Bob Foster
10. Roy Jones Jr.

I barely squeeze him past Jimmy Bivins

[Yogi]

I'd say Roy Jones was the most dominant at LHW:

1. Michael Spinks
2. Ezzard Charles
3. Gene Tunney
4. Archie Moore
5. Charley Burley
6. Harry Greb
7. Tommy Loughran
8. Sam Langford
9. Bob Foster
10. Roy Jones Jr.

I barely squeeze him past Jimmy Bivins

Burley?

Don't get me wrong, Imira, cause personally I think it's wonderful that you rightfully acknowledge the greatness of Charley Burley...But at Light Heavyweight? I'm not even sure if he had any fights at Light Heavyweight, but if he did it'd only have been a couple. Burley's more known as an all-time great Middleweight and to a lesser extent, Welterweight.

Besides that, your list is excellant!

[JUYJUY]

I may have been a little hard on Carpentier in that previous post (but accurate with what I said), because the guy was a good fighter (quick, pretty talented and with an excellant right hand) and certainly deserves some props in the P4P scheme of things. It's just that if you delve into his career while he was near/at Light Heavyweight and look past what is simply on his record, it's really, REALLY hard for me to consider him one of the ten greatest Light Heavyweights of all-time. In fact, I don't even think I'd find a spot for him in the all-time top 25 or 30 at this weight.

Carpentier was a legend, no doubt. But Ted 'Kid' was better.. that guy Ted Lewis went from Featherweight to Heavyweight! He was getting the better of some of the greatest fighters that ever breathed air such as Jack Britton, Mickey Walker, Benny Leonard.. he reigned number one in the world for years and beat all the top American fighters for ****ing years. I like Carpentier, but he's no Ted Lewis (he caught him with a lucky punch.. Lewis almost cracked him around the head with an elbow when that cheating bastard Carpentier tried helping him up).

[JUYJUY]

where would u guys rank jones not all time but divsion, would u rank him in the middleweight or light heavy?

Middleweight? Give me a break.

I have seen Roy Jones STRUGGLING with club fighters at 160, on Roy Jones compilation tapes etc those fights are always not included (pisses me off). Reggie Miller and Fermin Chirino are the men in question. Watch them fight Roy Jones, and then watch them fight Nigel Benn. Benn just played with these bums and ****ing destroyed them, Jones was STRUGGLING!

Even Steve Collins had no problems with this Chirino guy, it was easy for him.

Michael Watson took care of Reggie Miller much more impressively than Roy Jones did too, it was easy.

[Imira]

Burley?

Don't get me wrong, Imira, cause personally I think it's wonderful that you rightfully acknowledge the greatness of Charley Burley...But at Light Heavyweight? I'm not even sure if he had any fights at Light Heavyweight, but if he did it'd only have been a couple. Burley's more known as an all-time great Middleweight and to a lesser extent, Welterweight.

Besides that, your list is excellant!

Hm? I read somewhere that he moved up to and fought at LHW in 1945 and stayed there until 1947. That's when he beat Billy Smith and another LHW, I can't think of his name right now. But I'll check again because I don't want to look like an idiot.

[ClydeErwinBarretto]

always so many WHAT IFs

Well, a rare occasion for me to post. I admit I am a ROY JONES JR. fan. I grew up watching him in the 90s-00s and so therefore most of the coverage was on him. I have only been watching boxing and reading and etc about it for maybe what 8 years? I love boxing and have been doing martial arts for 15 years so there's a lot for me to keep up on.

My question anyways...

There's always all this talk about what if this and that. What does everyone here honestly think...IF Roy Jones was actually dedicated and etc and worked as hard as he could have possibly could have to improve himself as a boxer. How much further do you guys think he could have gone? Because to be honest I don't even think he really worked out for the Tarver and Johnson loses. No offense to those two guys for knocking him out but I mean look at those Jones those two last fights...physically and the look on his face. He looked like trash so therefore he got his ass knocked the !@#$ out. He probably didn't push himself as hard as he could have most of his career probably! Things really rolled on for him and with super athelticism and good timing he accomplished a lot. But he was still great to watch.

[JUYJUY]

Jones was caught out with drugs and they clamped down on him, causing him Jones to come off drugs and lose twice to Tarver and be dominated by Johnson.

[wpink1]

That list of fighters that was listed in support of Roy is not giving the entire story. Fightrs like Hill and McCallum, Pazienza were way way way past their prime... Hill has lost list 5 years early to a pat his prime Hearns at light heavy which heanrs was not good at all at that weight. Paz just had kneck surgery and moved up several weight classes. The Doctor told him to never fight again, but..oh well.

However weak Roy's resume was, he did beat Toney and Hopkins,,,EASILY. Because of his weak Resume, it keeps what could be a top 4 pound per pound of all time, if he had a resume to back it, it keeps him down to the top 10-20 IMO. He clearly had the skills well let me correct myself. He had the speed with made up for a lot of mistakes he made (lunging left hooks. leaning back from punches...etc) his speed prevented others from capilazing on those. A fight with McClellan and DM would have been very nice to see what he would have done vs those. Yes roy fought a lot of what his division had to offr, but there were other fighters that he made excuses for not fighting. like, benn, Jackson, Eubanks, Dm...etc... So I beg you Roy fans to not say that he fought all or the top fighters his division had to offer because there were top fighters including Nunn who Roy ducked. However Roy is a top 20 all time in my book.

[robjr]

lb for lb.. top 5.

[Krucial]

roy was damn good
he beat erbody in his division(lhw)
1.robinson
2.jones jr
3.whitaker