How can this equate to "FIGHTER OF THE DECADE"?

[Khalid X]

You have no factual evidence supporting the idea that Floyd was 155 on the night he fought JMM. He's never entered the ring over 152, and that was for a bout at 154. Even in his most recent matchup against SSM, when he attempted to come in around 150, he couldn't do so and ended up entering the ring at 147.

come on. there is not a Floyd fan, including yourself that doesn't agree Floyd is bigger now than he was b4 he retired. Why do u think he couldn't dip below 146 to fight Marquez

During his entire career Floyd has fought two people(I don't know why people count Hatton, as Hatton walks around at higher weights than Floyd) who were considered smaller than he is, and people bash him for it, that's what's odd to me. And as I said, People never call foul when it's Mayweather coming in as the smaller man, yet are up in arms when the tables are turned. And when Pac fights these same opponents, it's glorified to no end. Let's be honest Osiris, the only reason people had an issue with Floyd fighting JMM is because Floyd made someone who took Pac to hell and back look like nothing more than an amateur. Before hand, people were predicting it'd be a tough fight, one almost as difficult as a potential matchup with Pac.

Honestly people bash him for fighting Hatton because he should have fought an undefeated Cotto, who just beat Judah and Mosley. Instead he made Hatton move up to face him, and this is why people bashed him for that fight. As far as Marquez, that fight was a complete joke and you know it man. Marquez had no chance. He was already slow as **** at 135 (was getting beat to the bunch by an old Casa and Juan Diaz) and had to jump two weight classes making him even slower. The thing you are failing to see is that guys like Floyd move up gradually and face fightings along the way to prove they are legit fighters in each class. Marquez didn't have any fights above 135, which is why it's not the same thing. FWIW if Manny faces Marquez at 145-147 he will get bashed just as bad as Floyd did.

And Floyd's best weight was at 135, your point? You see the problem is, when Floyd was moving up in weight it was fine, people saw no issue with it. Fighters were not getting criticism for accepting fights with the "smaller man", fighting outside of his "best weight class". Yet when others fighters move up to fight Floyd, suddenly, it's a travesty. And no, my only point is don't pretend as if Hatton is so much smaller than Floyd, when in reality, he isn't.

at one point it was. he has proven, with time, that he is a top fighter at 140 and 147. Hatton has never proven he was legit at any other weight besides 140 and thats a fact. BTW I never discredited Floyd win over Hatton or him even taking that fight. At worst I have stated that pac's win is better because Hatton was elite at 140 and Pac not only beat him at that weight but did so in a dominating fashion.

How was he not dominated in compubox stats? Compubox records both punches landed, and those missed. JMM had a statistical advantage by 9%, which mathematically translates into statistical domination. Furthermore, Marquez a higher connect rate in both bouts. And there's no way Pac won 7 rounds to 5. I actually had it the other way around, I had JMM winning by a point due to the knockdown, and many people, including both experts and analyst agree with that assessment.

Honestly the word "dominate" or "outboxed" should never be used in discussion Pac vs Marquez. Win or he beat him.....Ok, but not dominate. That fight was closer than Martinez vs Williams but people act like it was a clear win for either fighter.

It indeed may have been DLH's fault, but you cannot deny the fact that the single and only reason team Pac accepted that fight was due to Oscar being shot. And I don't care if it was intention or not, Oscar was severely weight drained and dehydrated. He hadn't fought at 147 in nearly 8 years. There's no way you can pretend as if that wasn't a factor in the fight. Oscar was done, nothing more than a dead man walking.

All that was/is totally on Oscar. I have said this b4, but I have played several sports and I always knew my body inside and out. These guys have been boxing all there life so I have no sympathy if they are that dumb to come in weight drained etc.

And Baldomir was the lineal champ at 147 when Floyd fought him, doesn't necessarily mean he was a great fighter. The same way Hatton being #1 at Jww means little considering by team Pacs own admission, he hadn't been the same since fighting Mayweather. According to Roach, the Mayweather fight took a lot out of Hatton.

Honestly if you asked who was better than Baldomir, I could easily tell you Margarito, Williams and Cotto. You can't do that with Ledwaba, Marquez, and Hatton....three guys Pac won his lineal/ring titles against. Those guys were clearly the best in the division at the time.

Hold up dude. Cotto suggested 145, but who team Pac wanted a catchweight regardless. Either way, team Pac wasn't letting Cotto come in at 147. It isn't as if Cotto was like, "Since I like you Pac, I'm going to intentionally handicap myself by implementing a catchweight". And you can't cant deny the fact that Cotto was damaged goods. He was not the same after the Margo fight.

Sorry, I'm not from the cloth of calling guys shot or done after one brutal loss. I have seen other fighters get the **** beat outta them (ala barrera against jones) and still come back. Cotto may very well crush Foreman and another top guy, proving he isn't done like most claim.

Dude, Clottey hasn't ever won a big matchup. He's a gatekeeper, and a fighter who played directly into Pacs fighting style. Even so, he was still able to bust Pac up when he tried.

He busted up pac to the extent he did because he is naturally the bigger man. FWIW Pac should atleast be fighting at 140 if not 135, while Clottey is a legit 154lb. The size difference alone is why his punches caused the damage it did on Pac, but most fail to realize that.

Ledwaba was a good, not great fighter. He was the #1 guy at 122 FWIW

Barrera was a great win. Best of his career in my opinion.

He lost to Marquez in my opinion. To each his own, but I all honesty Pac should have 2 wins against Marquez as the scorecards were added wrong. Not only that but in the second fight Pac should have had another KD but it wasn't ruled properly

Hatton was on the slide, and we all know it. Roach admitted it.

Cotto was damaged goods, and Clottey is a gatekeeper who played into Pacs style.

Btw, I'd like to point out that I couldn't care less about the FOTD award. It's meaningless as it's all subjective. I'm simply arguing resumes.

I really don't believe it's as subjective as you claim. Ring is usually dead accurate with these and have been in the business since 1922 and have more credibility than anyone in boxing.

[Khalid X]

Floyd once said in reference to Pacquiao, "Before he was champion, I was a champion. When he lost I was a champion, and when he earned his title back I was a champion. What's that tell you"?

Floyd won his first title 8 or some months after turning pro. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

Also, when Pacquiao was getting KO'd by Rustico Torrecampo, Floyd was in the olympics. When Pacquiao was getting KO'd by Medgoen Singsurat, Floyd was a champion. When Pacquiao was getting outboxed by Erik Morales, Floyd was a champion.

I know this much, I would rather lose to an elite pro fighter, than a mediocre amature fighter. Yeah Pac got KO by torrecampo when he was 16 but at that same age Floyd got outboxed by sorry @ss Augie Sanchez. Also Floyd has some strange a$$ losses around the same age Pac was when he lost, which is why I feel its a moot point discussing these fighters losses b4 they became Elite fighters.

[whirlwind]

I'm not in awe of Floyd's JWW-WW resume, but it's solid.

DeMarcus Corley - Not a huge win. Solid though. At the time he fought Mayweather he only had three loses.

Henry Bruseles - Solid win. Bruseles only had two loses at the end.

Arturo Gatti - Not a huge win. Complete one sided domination made it solid though.

Sharmba Mitchell - Not a great win, but Mitchell only had for loses, two of which came from Kostya Tszyu.

Zab Judah - At the time if was a semi-great win. Judah was considered one of the top WW's at the time.

Carlos Baldomir - Everyone ****s on this win, and they may have a point, but Baldomir was the lineal champ and also considered one of best WW's at the time. Baldomir was ranked higher than Margarito, and many didn't believe Floyd would be able to deal with Baldomir's size and strength. How many loses?

Oscar De La Hoya - Don't understand how anyone can **** on this win, but whatever. De la hoya was past his prime long time ago.

Ricky Hatton - Another win I fail to see how people discredit. Undefeated world champion....but Floyd forced him to move up at 147. He did not fought Hatton at his best weight 140.

Juan Manuel Marquez - P4P #2, an old bloated past his prime forced to move up who lost twice to Pac.

Shane Mosely - P4P #3, almost 2 years lay off, old past his prime, blood drained

Fixed for you!

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

holy mackerel! this is a bloody ******* ***** battle scene.....


lots of ***** ownage carcasses lying in pieces (alleged online quiz/unable to decipher what a decade is).

[Hannibal Barca]

I know this much, I would rather lose to an elite pro fighter, than a mediocre amature fighter. Yeah Pac got KO by torrecampo when he was 16 but at that same age Floyd got outboxed by sorry @ss Augie Sanchez. Also Floyd has some strange a$$ losses around the same age Pac was when he lost, which is why I feel its a moot point discussing these fighters losses b4 they became Elite fighters.

Stop right there. Many people believe Floyd won that fight. He won the first two rounds, and lost a close third after getting over confident. Furthermore, Floyd has two victories over Augie Sanchez, how many victories does Pac over either of the two men that knocked him out?

BTW, Pro judges >>>> Am judges.

[Hannibal Barca]

holy mackerel! this is a bloody ******* ***** battle scene.....


lots of ***** ownage carcasses lying in pieces (alleged online quiz/unable to decipher what a decade is).

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Hush child. Leave the boxing discussions to the grown folks.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Title: Unit 4 Quiz-Chapters 10-12
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Hush child. Leave the boxing discussions to the grown folks.

online degrees are nothing to brag about.

[Khalid X]

Stop right there. Many people believe Floyd won that fight. He won the first two rounds, and lost a close third after getting over confident. Furthermore, Floyd has two victories over Augie Sanchez, how many victories does Pac over either of the two men that knocked him out?

BTW, Pro judges >>>> Am judges.

doesn't matter. He still lost. My point is why judge fighters b4 they get in their prime?

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

doesn't matter. He still lost. My point is why judge fighters b4 they get in their prime?

bingo.

what you do in your prime carries a lot of weight. that's why lennox loses a lot of points in the historical rankings of atg heavyweight for losing to mccall & rahman. floyd in his prime was getting raked by 16 loss emmanuel augustus & almost got ktfo by a 39 year old 1 year & 5 month in active shane mosley.

[Hannibal Barca]

online degrees are nothing to brag about.

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