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[QUOTE=O.S.I.R.I.S;8333925]Since you insist
Floyd was over 155 in the Marquez fight. Marquez and Pac (although only 4lbs apart come fightnight) are the same size. Why are you comparing weigh in weights (May & Marquez) to fight night weights (Pac & JMM)? Come on man…………..
Because they were in the same weight class. Marquez was two weight classes below Mayweather so in no shape or form is that the same thing as fighting a bigger Corrales or Castillo who were in the same weight class as Floyd when he fought them
Dude everyone knows Hatton’s best weight is 140. This isn’t even disputable seeing that he was undeated at 140, yet looked like **** against Collazo at 147. Again are you serious with this statement? So according to this statement Duran (who ballooned over 200lbs in between fights) should have been really fighting at Light Heavy Weight. Also why was he considered the smaller man against Hearns and Hagler then, considering he got over 200lbs in between fights. In none of those fights, including Leonard vs Duran 2, was Duran considered the bigger man. What even funnier is that he weight over 170 a month before he fought SRL and had to cut a **** load of weight...yet people still considered him to smaller guy.
Mosley was not shot, was a top 3 WW when Floyd beat him….full credit with no hate or excuses for that win.
Dominated in compubox stats? What fight were you watching.
Here is a pic, since I was just watching it earlier
[IMG]http://i132.***********.com/albums/q34/michaelbonney1984/MarquezvsPacquiaoIIPPV720pHDTVx264-.jpg[/IMG]
How is only landing 15 more punches constitute as dominating someone in compubox statistics? Pac won 7 rounds to 5....115 to 112. Close fight, but in no way shape or form was that a domination by either fighter.
First of all, DLH has only himself to blame. He tried to cherry pick a LW and not only that, but tried to come in lighter to prove a point (since he was facing so much heat for ducking Tony to fight a LW).
Also DLH was coming to 147 as mentioned in an ESPN article with Dan Rafael almost a full year b4 he fought Pac. He was trying to Face Cotto at 147, Tony crushes Miguel so Oscar tries to cherry pick Manny.Manny showed up to the fight and it's not his fault Oscar was a dumb@ss. Oscar has been a professional for over a decade and it's his job to show up...not Manny's
BTW this same past his prime Oscar was signed to fight Floyd in a rematch until Floyd retired. He was good enough for a rematch with the P4P king, but not a undersized LW?
You have no factual evidence supporting the idea that Floyd was 155 on the night he fought JMM. He's never entered the ring over 152, and that was for a bout at 154. Even in his most recent matchup against SSM, when he attempted to come in around 150, he couldn't do so and ended up entering the ring at 147.
During his entire career Floyd has fought two people(I don't know why people count Hatton, as Hatton walks around at higher weights than Floyd) who were considered smaller than he is, and people bash him for it, that's what's odd to me. And as I said, People never call foul when it's Mayweather coming in as the smaller man, yet are up in arms when the tables are turned. And when Pac fights these same opponents, it's glorified to no end. Let's be honest Osiris, the only reason people had an issue with Floyd fighting JMM is because Floyd made someone who took Pac to hell and back look like nothing more than an amateur. Before hand, people were predicting it'd be a tough fight, one almost as difficult as a potential matchup with Pac.
And Floyd's best weight was at 135, your point? You see the problem is, when Floyd was moving up in weight it was fine, people saw no issue with it. Fighters were not getting criticism for accepting fights with the "smaller man", fighting outside of his "best weight class". Yet when others fighters move up to fight Floyd, suddenly, it's a travesty. And no, my only point is don't pretend as if Hatton is so much smaller than Floyd, when in reality, he isn't.
How was he not dominated in compubox stats? Compubox records both punches landed, and those missed. JMM had a statistical advantage by 9%, which mathematically translates into statistical domination. Furthermore, Marquez a higher connect rate in both bouts. And there's no way Pac won 7 rounds to 5. I actually had it the other way around, I had JMM winning by a point due to the knockdown, and many people, including both experts and analyst agree with that assessment.
It indeed may have been DLH's fault, but you cannot deny the fact that the single and only reason team Pac accepted that fight was due to Oscar being shot. And I don't care if it was intention or not, Oscar was severely weight drained and dehydrated. He hadn't fought at 147 in nearly 8 years. There's no way you can pretend as if that wasn't a factor in the fight. Oscar was done, nothing more than a dead man walking.
And Baldomir was the lineal champ at 147 when Floyd fought him, doesn't necessarily mean he was a great fighter. The same way Hatton being #1 at Jww means little considering by team Pacs own admission, he hadn't been the same since fighting Mayweather. According to Roach, the Mayweather fight took a lot out of Hatton.
Hold up dude. Cotto suggested 145, but who team Pac wanted a catchweight regardless. Either way, team Pac wasn't letting Cotto come in at 147. It isn't as if Cotto was like, "Since I like you Pac, I'm going to intentionally handicap myself by implementing a catchweight". And you can't cant deny the fact that Cotto was damaged goods. He was not the same after the Margo fight.
Dude, Clottey hasn't ever won a big matchup. He's a gatekeeper, and a fighter who played directly into Pacs fighting style. Even so, he was still able to bust Pac up when he tried.
Ledwaba was a good, not great fighter.
Barrera was a great win. Best of his career in my opinion.
He lost to Marquez in my opinion.
Hatton was on the slide, and we all know it. Roach admitted it.
Cotto was damaged goods, and Clottey is a gatekeeper who played into Pacs style.
Btw, I'd like to point out that I couldn't care less about the FOTD award. It's meaningless as it's all subjective. I'm simply arguing resumes.
Floyd was over 155 in the Marquez fight. Marquez and Pac (although only 4lbs apart come fightnight) are the same size. Why are you comparing weigh in weights (May & Marquez) to fight night weights (Pac & JMM)? Come on man…………..
Because they were in the same weight class. Marquez was two weight classes below Mayweather so in no shape or form is that the same thing as fighting a bigger Corrales or Castillo who were in the same weight class as Floyd when he fought them
Dude everyone knows Hatton’s best weight is 140. This isn’t even disputable seeing that he was undeated at 140, yet looked like **** against Collazo at 147. Again are you serious with this statement? So according to this statement Duran (who ballooned over 200lbs in between fights) should have been really fighting at Light Heavy Weight. Also why was he considered the smaller man against Hearns and Hagler then, considering he got over 200lbs in between fights. In none of those fights, including Leonard vs Duran 2, was Duran considered the bigger man. What even funnier is that he weight over 170 a month before he fought SRL and had to cut a **** load of weight...yet people still considered him to smaller guy.
Mosley was not shot, was a top 3 WW when Floyd beat him….full credit with no hate or excuses for that win.
Dominated in compubox stats? What fight were you watching.
Here is a pic, since I was just watching it earlier
[IMG]http://i132.***********.com/albums/q34/michaelbonney1984/MarquezvsPacquiaoIIPPV720pHDTVx264-.jpg[/IMG]
How is only landing 15 more punches constitute as dominating someone in compubox statistics? Pac won 7 rounds to 5....115 to 112. Close fight, but in no way shape or form was that a domination by either fighter.
First of all, DLH has only himself to blame. He tried to cherry pick a LW and not only that, but tried to come in lighter to prove a point (since he was facing so much heat for ducking Tony to fight a LW).
Also DLH was coming to 147 as mentioned in an ESPN article with Dan Rafael almost a full year b4 he fought Pac. He was trying to Face Cotto at 147, Tony crushes Miguel so Oscar tries to cherry pick Manny.Manny showed up to the fight and it's not his fault Oscar was a dumb@ss. Oscar has been a professional for over a decade and it's his job to show up...not Manny's
BTW this same past his prime Oscar was signed to fight Floyd in a rematch until Floyd retired. He was good enough for a rematch with the P4P king, but not a undersized LW?
You have no factual evidence supporting the idea that Floyd was 155 on the night he fought JMM. He's never entered the ring over 152, and that was for a bout at 154. Even in his most recent matchup against SSM, when he attempted to come in around 150, he couldn't do so and ended up entering the ring at 147.
During his entire career Floyd has fought two people(I don't know why people count Hatton, as Hatton walks around at higher weights than Floyd) who were considered smaller than he is, and people bash him for it, that's what's odd to me. And as I said, People never call foul when it's Mayweather coming in as the smaller man, yet are up in arms when the tables are turned. And when Pac fights these same opponents, it's glorified to no end. Let's be honest Osiris, the only reason people had an issue with Floyd fighting JMM is because Floyd made someone who took Pac to hell and back look like nothing more than an amateur. Before hand, people were predicting it'd be a tough fight, one almost as difficult as a potential matchup with Pac.
And Floyd's best weight was at 135, your point? You see the problem is, when Floyd was moving up in weight it was fine, people saw no issue with it. Fighters were not getting criticism for accepting fights with the "smaller man", fighting outside of his "best weight class". Yet when others fighters move up to fight Floyd, suddenly, it's a travesty. And no, my only point is don't pretend as if Hatton is so much smaller than Floyd, when in reality, he isn't.
How was he not dominated in compubox stats? Compubox records both punches landed, and those missed. JMM had a statistical advantage by 9%, which mathematically translates into statistical domination. Furthermore, Marquez a higher connect rate in both bouts. And there's no way Pac won 7 rounds to 5. I actually had it the other way around, I had JMM winning by a point due to the knockdown, and many people, including both experts and analyst agree with that assessment.
It indeed may have been DLH's fault, but you cannot deny the fact that the single and only reason team Pac accepted that fight was due to Oscar being shot. And I don't care if it was intention or not, Oscar was severely weight drained and dehydrated. He hadn't fought at 147 in nearly 8 years. There's no way you can pretend as if that wasn't a factor in the fight. Oscar was done, nothing more than a dead man walking.
And Baldomir was the lineal champ at 147 when Floyd fought him, doesn't necessarily mean he was a great fighter. The same way Hatton being #1 at Jww means little considering by team Pacs own admission, he hadn't been the same since fighting Mayweather. According to Roach, the Mayweather fight took a lot out of Hatton.
Hold up dude. Cotto suggested 145, but who team Pac wanted a catchweight regardless. Either way, team Pac wasn't letting Cotto come in at 147. It isn't as if Cotto was like, "Since I like you Pac, I'm going to intentionally handicap myself by implementing a catchweight". And you can't cant deny the fact that Cotto was damaged goods. He was not the same after the Margo fight.
Dude, Clottey hasn't ever won a big matchup. He's a gatekeeper, and a fighter who played directly into Pacs fighting style. Even so, he was still able to bust Pac up when he tried.
Ledwaba was a good, not great fighter.
Barrera was a great win. Best of his career in my opinion.
He lost to Marquez in my opinion.
Hatton was on the slide, and we all know it. Roach admitted it.
Cotto was damaged goods, and Clottey is a gatekeeper who played into Pacs style.
Btw, I'd like to point out that I couldn't care less about the FOTD award. It's meaningless as it's all subjective. I'm simply arguing resumes.
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