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see there u go again bozo just cause someoen is a vitali fan u think there morons, i have never ever said vitali was in the top 10 or 20 lmao, lewis beat holyfield past his prime and tyson past his prime and thats it and there can even be made argments that tyson didnt fight anyone either! so if all lewis had is a holyfield that makes him top 10 all time?
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My list looks like
1. Muhammed Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Jack Johnson
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Joe FrazierComment
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Originally posted by SturmRules
You can rip apart any fighters resume like that.
Who did Larry Homes fight in his prime? What about Joe Louis' bum of the moth club?
Both of those guys are easilly top 5.
Lewis beat every fighter he ever faced, including the top fighters of his era. Rid**** Bowe clearly ducked him, as did Tyson in the mid 90's.
I've always found Lewis ****y, but there's no denying he's a top ten all time Heavyweight.
But then again you're commenting of fighters and fights that happened when you were in elementary school. Again, part of the reason you're so ignorant.Comment
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STrange that you have Ali as #1 and Frazier as #10 when Frazier beat Ali in the first fight when they were both closest to their primes in 1971. YOu think that would at least put him ahead of Lewis who's best wins are a very old and shot Mike Tyson and a quite old and shot Evander Holyfield. I am glad at least that bumb Sonny Liston is not on many people's list.Originally posted by oldgringo
Hey, look what beating George Foreman gets for ye.
Last edited by The Troll; 06-15-2005, 11:22 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by SturmRules
Not to get into another debate...ah what the **** here goes...
For as much as Lennox won the first fight against commander evander he lost the second fight!
It is tough to listen to people call the LL that fought VK and Tyson old and all thru because that was the best Lennox....
The Lennox that weighed 220 and was ko'd by McCall and was exposed against Frank Bruno was not very good at all...LL always fought scared but he learned as he aged how to control his fear of whoever he was in with...when he was younger he often times looked like an AMUTEUR.
Had Bowe had half a brain he would have gotten back into camp right after he beat Holy the first time and made the fight with LL...that Bowe was the better fighter at the time although LL would have had the punchers chance...
Obviously we all know who is the better fighter when you look at the big picture but when LL was a skinny little ***** he was always a bad matchmaker away from defeat...but then again isn't every fighter?Comment
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Originally posted by McKay
Things don't work like that.Comment
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Care to explain, how they dont work like that? How else would things work? Maybe they dont work like that if you are rating on what you consider as ability and not merit.Originally posted by oldgringoLast edited by The Troll; 06-15-2005, 11:26 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by scap
No he didn't.
You can't talk about your opinion of a fight when it contradicts the actual result and speak like it has credibility in a debate or discussion.
In their first fight Lewis landed 348 punches to 134 for Holyfield. In the rematch, Lewis still outlanded Holyfield 195-137.
Lewis' jab count was way down from the 1st fight. He didn't throw it nearly as often, and relied more on power shots. Lewis' right uppercut was the most telling punch of the fight, far superior to any body work that Holyfield did.Comment
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Originally posted by McKay
I have all the respect in the world for Smokin Joe, but who did he beat outside of that one fight agaisnt Ali?
Did Schmelling's KO of Lewis get him an automatic top ten ranking?
I have Joe Frazier in the top ten, but your logic is flawed.Comment
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Originally posted by scap
IF Bowe hadn't been a giant flake, he might have been a much better Heavyweight.
Bowe was afraid of Lewis. Period.
After the Holyfield fight, Lewis and Bowe got into it on camera and Bowe tells Lewis he's going to fight him next because he owes him one. Lewis tells Bowe he's going to knock him out again.
And then not only does Bowe go back on what he said, he throws his belt in the garbage rather than fight Lewis.
I don't think it matters when they would have fought, Bowe had a screw loose and was afraid of Lewis. That's why the fight never came off. I think if he had agreed to fight him he would have been mentally defeated before the 1st bell rang.
Maybe Lewis rang Bowe in the Olympics (Lewis won via TKO) harder than it looked:
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