I think some people miss the point about the Lewis Klitschko fight

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No he didn't.

You can't talk about your opinion of a fight when it contradicts the actual result and speak like it has credibility in a debate or discussion.

In their first fight Lewis landed 348 punches to 134 for Holyfield. In the rematch, Lewis still outlanded Holyfield 195-137.

Lewis' jab count was way down from the 1st fight. He didn't throw it nearly as often, and relied more on power shots. Lewis' right uppercut was the most telling punch of the fight, far superior to any body work that Holyfield did.

His jab count was way down...since you have all of the numbers right in front of you or in your head how many punches out of the 195 landed were jabs?

Cmon man if I would have thrown out some gay punch stat numbers to back up why I scored a fight the way I did you would have comeback and talked about how ureliable punch stat numbers are...hell how many times would Oscar have lossed if they went by punch stat...

The other night Casamyor outlanded Diamond...punch stat espeically HBO punch stat means ****...the power punch stat is the most ridiculous stat...any punch other than a ****ing jab is considered a power punch...not in my book!

Just curious who did you have winning Mercer vs. Lewis...let me guess?

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I have all the respect in the world for Smokin Joe, but who did he beat outside of that one fight agaisnt Ali?

Did Schmelling's KO of Lewis get him an automatic top ten ranking?

I have Joe Frazier in the top ten, but your logic is flawed.

Oscar Bonavena
Jerry Quarry (twice)
Jimmy Ellis (twice)
Joe Bugner
Bob Foster
Buster Mathis
Muhammad Ali

Frazier was just like Holyfield. His record is totally unpadded. For most of career he fought nothing but Championship fights and fighters.

You can rate Frazier as #10 all time if you want, but not if you are going to rate Ali as #1.

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Oscar Bonavena
Jerry Quarry (twice)
Jimmy Ellis (twice)
Joe Bugner
Bob Foster
Buster Mathis
Muhammad Ali

You've got to be kidding.

Outside of Ali, that group is not Hall of Fame opposition. You can't write of the resume of a guy like Lewis or Holyfiled and have guys like Quarry Ellis and Bugner as your supporting argument.

Come on. Solid fighters, but not world beaters.

[The Troll]

You've got to be kidding.

Outside of Ali, that group is not Hall of Fame opposition. You can't write of the resume of a guy like Lewis or Holyfiled and have guys like Quarry Ellis and Bugner as your supporting argument.

Come on. Solid fighters, but not world beaters.

Solid fighters like who. A totally washed up and useless Tyson. Or a totally washed up and useless Evander Holyfield.

I will take these guys Ellis etc..

over

Razor Ruddock
Shannon Briggs
Frank Bruno etc.

And Lewis lost to low caliber of opposition by knockout in McCall and Rahman. Frazier only lost to Ali and Foreman.

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His jab count was way down...since you have all of the numbers right in front of you or in your head how many punches out of the 195 landed were jabs?

Cmon man if I would have thrown out some gay punch stat numbers to back up why I scored a fight the way I did you would have comeback and talked about how ureliable punch stat numbers are...hell how many times would Oscar have lossed if they went by punch stat...

That's not the point. The point is it was a clear 1 to 2 round win for Lewis.

Holyfield cleary took about 5 rounds off, and the rounds he did win, he did so by flurrying early and late in rounds. Oldest trick in the book.

Lewis neglected his jab in the rematch (reason it was more competitve) and threw more powershots.

Once again, if you scored that fight for Holyfield, you are in the minority, and as said before your "opinion" of a fight result when it contradicts the actual result doesn't get you anywhere in a debate.

I scored the Lewis Mercer fight 6-4 for Lewis, although there were some tight rounds.

[The Troll]

That's not the point. The point is it was a clear 1 to 2 round win for Lewis.

Holyfield cleary took about 5 rounds off, and the rounds he did win, he did so by flurrying early and late in rounds. Oldest trick in the book.

Lewis neglected his jab in the rematch (reason it was more competitve) and threw more powershots.

Once again, if you scored that fight for Holyfield, you are in the minority, and as said before your "opinion" of a fight result when it contradicts the actual result doesn't get you anywhere in a debate.

I scored the Lewis Mercer fight 6-4 for Lewis, although there were some tight rounds.

What is funny is that you will end having to defend Vitali Klistchko really in order to maintain Lewis is a better all time fighter than Frazier.

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Oscar Bonavena
Jerry Quarry (twice)
Jimmy Ellis (twice)
Joe Bugner
Bob Foster
Buster Mathis
Muhammad Ali

Frazier was just like Holyfield. His record is totally unpadded. For most of career he fought nothing but Championship fights and fighters.

Is that really more impressive than

Tyson
Holyfield
Tua
Klitschko
Tucker
Bruno
Mercer
Golota

Lewis beat everybody he fought, was the big dog for the greater part of the mid-late 90's and early 2000's, avenged both of his losses successfully, and had the skills to match up with any HW from any period ever. In fact, I think he'd beat Marciano, Johnson, Dempsey, Frazier...would be even money against Louis...and would have a punchers chance against Ali, Foreman and Holmes.

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Solid fighters like who. A totally washed up and useless Tyson. Or a totally washed up and useless Evander Holyfield.

I will take these guys Ellis etc..

over

Razor Ruddock
Shannon Briggs
Frank Bruno etc.

That's your perogative, but those names are all toss ups. Ellis was on par with a Mercer or a Tucker. Quarry was on par with a Tua or Ruddock.

You're really over rating Fraziers resume.

Bugner? Come on.

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What is funny is that you will end having to defend Vitali Klistchko really in order to maintain Lewis is a better all time fighter than Frazier.

No more than you've tried to convice me that Joe Bugner is an impressive victory.

Oh, and by the way, what about Lennox crushing your hero Golota?

Are you going to tell me Ringo Bonevenna was a better win than Golota? (and by the way, Bonevenna nearly knocked Frazier out. I suggest you check that fight out. It was just as contraversial as Lewis' win over Mercer, if not more so. Ringo is the one who started off Frazier's eye problems that bothered him the rest of his career).

[The Troll]

Is that really more impressive than

Tyson
Holyfield
Tua
Klitschko
Tucker
Bruno
Mercer
Golota

Lewis beat everybody he fought, was the big dog for the greater part of the mid-late 90's and early 2000's, avenged both of his losses successfully, and had the skills to match up with any HW from any period ever. In fact, I think he'd beat Marciano, Johnson, Dempsey, Frazier...would be even money against Louis...and would have a punchers chance against Ali, Foreman and Holmes.

Danny Williams was good enough to beat the version of Tyson Lewis faced. In fact Tyson was in better shape for the Williams fight. EVander Holyfield was way passed his prime. Golota, wow you are propping up Golota now, interesting. Mercer was beating Lewis ass, Lewis barely escaped that fight with a majority descision, could have gone either way. Bruno decent fighter, but who did he ever beat? Tua another guy with alot of talent like Bruno, but besides Ruiz and Rahman who did he ever beat? Tucker decent fighter. Ruddock decent fighter. Ellis and Quarry are a hell lot better than Ruddock, Briggs, Bruno, Tucker, Golota, though.

Oscar Bonavena I think is HOF
Bob Foster I think is HOF
Ellis I think is HOF
Quarry I think is HOF
Ali is HOF

Frazier losses only were to Ali and Foreman.