if oscar is an atg..then isnt judah aswell??

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

No, I won't. It's unfair - especially since I'm giving him the Whitaker win. And he won quite a few disputed decisions himself. I can't do that. And he beat them up young but they still aren't ATG wins, independently or collectively. Period.

He beat Trinidad and you know it, just like Pernell beat JCC, I can admit it it's sad you can't.

My friend, Jesse James Leija was not in his prime when he fought Oscar. That's absurd. Furthermore, Rafael Ruelas and Miguel Angel Gonzalez are good victories. But nothing more! Come on. what ATG lists Rafael Ruelas and Miguel Angel Gonzalez??? Think about it. Arturo Gatti? Campas? Mayorga? Lord, we are really reaching here. More important than who is when. Remember that when you throw out names

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Leija was 31-1 when he fought Oscar!! LOL WTF you mean he wasn't in his prime? He was still a prime fighter and Oscar disposed of him in the second round after this guy just beat Gabriel Ruelas. Miguel Angel Gonzales was 41-0 I believe and he beat him as well in his PRIME.

He lost to both of them! WTF?? you don't add guys that you lost to!

When you start saying things like someone is an ATG, you can usually think of another prime, great HOF'er they beat. In Oscar's case, you are listing Miguel Angel Gonzalez and guys like Yori Boy Campas....what does that tell you?

My friend, Oscar is a great fighter. He is a HOF'er. But an ATG? When did we start lowering the standards?

He did lose to both of them but he himself was past his prime. You can still check a mans resume even if they are fights he lost. The fact Oscar was fighting these guys shows he was always been about fighting the best. Most fighters just say that, Oscar lived it.

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This has to be the most ******ed thread in boxingscene history

[IMDAZED]

So zero credit then?

I'm of the opinion that the Oscar fight was Whitaker's last gasp. He really showed up and won IMO. But I'm not the judge and it wasn't a "robbery." Oscar deserves credit. A rematch would've been nice but no one except Grandpa Chavez was deserving of one...years later.

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He did lose to both of them but he himself was past his prime. You can still check a mans resume even if they are fights he lost. The fact Oscar was fighting these guys shows he was always been about fighting the best. Most fighters just say that, Oscar lived it.

No. You don't add to your resume jobs you applied for and lost out to someone else. You are almost proving true the ridiculous premise the TS brought forward:Oscar lost to a lot of great fighters, therefore he is an ATG. No. Doesn't work that way.

Second, to say most fighters say it, Oscar lived it is BS. But that's another debate. I'll stand on my first paragraph for now.

[Jim Jeffries]

I'm of the opinion that the Oscar fight was Whitaker's last gasp. He really showed up and won IMO. But I'm not the judge and it wasn't a "robbery." Oscar deserves credit. A rematch would've been nice but no one except Grandpa Chavez was deserving of one...years later.

Seeing as how Whitaker tested positive for coke in his next fight, I'm not sure a rematch would've been a good idea.

And yes, fighters sometimes get credit for losses. Duran's loss to Hagler, for example.

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Seeing as how Whitaker tested positive for coke in his next fight, I'm not sure a rematch would've been a good idea.

Perhaps if Oscar was Miss Cleo then your comment would make sense. But he wasn't. And he flat out said no to a rematch from jump.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Seeing as how Whitaker tested positive for coke in his next fight, I'm not sure a rematch would've been a good idea.

And yes, fighters sometimes get credit for losses. Duran's loss to Hagler, for example.

Exactly...............

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And yes, fighters sometimes get credit for losses. Duran's loss to Hagler, for example.

What kind of credit did Duran get aside from...he fought a good fight? If anything, Hagler got slammed!

[Jim Jeffries]

Perhaps if Oscar was Miss Cleo then your comment would make sense. But he wasn't. And he flat out said no to a rematch from jump.

Well he wasn't getting much credit from people like you for what I thought was a close, but fairly decisive win in the first fight, so who could blame him?

You can't have it both ways. Pea was sliding, but Oscar should've re matched him. Doesn't make sense.

What kind of credit did Duran get aside from...he fought a good fight? If anything, Hagler got slammed!

Apparently everyone besides you gave a career LW a lot of credit for hanging in there with an ATG MW.

[Rabbit ♠]

Lol. Still going