if oscar is an atg..then isnt judah aswell??

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Chicano, I have to say that Chavez and Pernell were past their primes when they fought DLH, there's no doubt about that.

I do disagree that DLH was expected to KO Pernell, I don't know where he came up with that one because that's a fight I remember very clearly and DLH was expected to win but most realized it would be tough because Pernell can make anyone look bad.

It still doesn't change the ******ity of this thread though, to compare DLH to Judah is idiotic. Judah's resume isn't even close and there were 2 major fights in DLH career that I thought he clearly won and wasn't given the decision;

Tito Trinidad
Mosley II

He won those but wasn't given them, at the same time he lost vs Sturm and the Quartey fight was razor close.

DLH is an ATG, anyone who disputes that is insulting the sport of boxing.

This thread is ******...

I disagree that Oscar is an ATG. HOF'er, great for the sport. ATG? No way. And I think people are forgetting how bad Pea looked against Hurtado. Again, he was dropped twice and was behind by seven points on the scorecards getting beat to the punch and landed on early, often and consistently.

[Mr. Fantastic]

That's not proof. That's a title. Where is the proof in the fights?

Of course they would get credit for the win. Why wouldn't they? He's retiring of his own volition, not because he's been getting beat up in fights.

He still won the fights didn't he???

Double Standards are we lol. Typical NSB fan.

He's still at the end of the road of his career though.

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I didn't know that Hurtado dropped Whitaker twice. Sorry.
My argument isn't weak. Comparing it to Hopkins being on the list recently lol. Big difference being #1 than most other spots.

Hopkins was #3. And yes, Pea was dropped twice in his fight before Oscar.

But thanks for trying to discredit Oscar. You always try to.

I am not trying to discredit Oscar. Just stating facts.

Oscar fought him on his 24th/25th fight. So this isn't exactly the veteran Oscar that fought Pea. Oscar was just that good.

He was also highly ranked pound for pound and already a 2-3 division champ. But I'm not sure what the relevance was. He was a big favorite over Pea. Big.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I disagree that Oscar is an ATG. HOF'er, great for the sport. ATG? No way. And I think people are forgetting how bad Pea looked against Hurtado. Again, he was dropped twice and was behind by seven points on the scorecards getting beat to the punch and landed on early, often and consistently.

IMdazed, comparing one fighters performance to another is not the way to go. You have to look at the whole body of work.

I think it was even you that brought up Barrera's trouble with Junior Jones, does that mean that Barrera was past his prime? Or that Jones was better than him? No.

Every fighter has that tough fight, that tough opponent. Mosley had Vernon Forrest, Barrera had Jr. Jones, Ali had Chuck Wepner, Pernell had Huratdo.....the list goes on.

Like him or hate him, DLH resume is one of the best ever in boxing and he beat some great fighters in their prime.

DLH is without a doubt an ATG. I'm not saying he's top 10 but his resume speaks for itself.

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He still won the fights didn't he???

Double Standards are we lol. Typical NSB fan.

He's still at the end of the road of his career though.

Double standards? Maybe you should try and stay on topic.

You said, what proof do we have that they were out of prime. What proof do you have they were in them?

And your response is, doesn't matter a win is a win. Yet you'r ebashing Manny's win over Morales?

Double standard?

[Mr. Fantastic]

Chicano, I have to say that Chavez and Pernell were past their primes when they fought DLH, there's no doubt about that.

I do disagree that DLH was expected to KO Pernell, I don't know where he came up with that one because that's a fight I remember very clearly and DLH was expected to win but most realized it would be tough because Pernell can make anyone look bad.

It still doesn't change the ******ity of this thread though, to compare DLH to Judah is idiotic. Judah's resume isn't even close and there were 2 major fights in DLH career that I thought he clearly won and wasn't given the decision;

Tito Trinidad
Mosley II

He won those but wasn't given them, at the same time he lost vs Sturm and the Quartey fight was razor close.

DLH is an ATG, anyone who disputes that is insulting the sport of boxing.

This thread is ******...

Good Post as always Cuahtemo. You are probably one of the few non biased fans out here.

It is an insult. What's funny is that Pac has accomplished a little more than DLH and he's like a top 10/20 to some people but yet Oscar isn't even considered an ATG. Fucking ****** if you ask me.

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IMdazed, comparing one fighters performance to another is not the way to go. You have to look at the whole body of work.

I think it was even you that brought up Barrera's trouble with Junior Jones, does that mean that Barrera was past his prime? Or that Jones was better than him? No.

Every fighter has that tough fight, that tough opponent. Mosley had Vernon Forrest, Barrera had Jr. Jones, Ali had Chuck Wepner, Pernell had Huratdo.....the list goes on.

Like him or hate him, DLH resume is one of the best ever in boxing and he beat some great fighters in their prime.

DLH is without a doubt an ATG. I'm not saying he's top 10 but his resume speaks for itself.

I'm lost. How is DLH's resume one of the best? His best wins are Vargas and Quartey. Coupled with his lower weight wins he is a HOF'er no question. But an ATG? No way.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Double standards? Maybe you should try and stay on topic.

You said, what proof do we have that they were out of prime. What proof do you have they were in them?

And your response is, doesn't matter a win is a win. Yet you'r ebashing Manny's win over Morales?

Double standard?

When have I mentioned Morales???

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When have I mentioned Morales???

Check that - Barrera.

The point still stands.

[Mr. Fantastic]

I'm lost. How is DLH's resume one of the best? His best wins are Vargas and Quartey. Coupled with his lower weight wins he is a HOF'er no question. But an ATG? No way.

When we talk ATG what do you see ATG?? Like top 20 or some ****?? When I mention ATG I think about the best 100 boxers ever. He's definitely on there. Personally, disagree or not he's in the 50-75 range. But that's just me bro.