if oscar is an atg..then isnt judah aswell??

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I'm lost. How is DLH's resume one of the best? His best wins are Vargas and Quartey. Coupled with his lower weight wins he is a HOF'er no question. But an ATG? No way.

He also beat a prime Mosley and Trinidad. Not to mention the guy was fighting world champs like John John Molina and Chicanito Hernandez when had like 16 pro fights under his belt.

Oscar fought EVERYONE of his time, I mean the guy even went up and fought Hopkins a guy he had no business even being in the ring with and according to Hopkins own words was giving him the toughest time than anyone he had ever fought.

Bro, Oscar was a beast in the boxing game, his pure boxing was one of the best ever, he was a classic boxer.

It seems ****** to be defending Oscar, it really does. I get people don't like him...well actually I don't get that but whatever. Oscar he fighter was great and he fought everyone and never avoided one fighter.

He beat some great fighters in their prime.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Check that - Barrera.

The point still stands.

Well sorry that I hurt your e feelings that the Pernell win was better than Barrera. But that's just my opinion.

[Jim Jeffries]

I love how people just ignore his win over Sweet Pea, just because they don't agree with the decision.

[IMDAZED]

He also beat a prime Mosley and Trinidad. Not to mention the guy was fighting world champs like John John Molina and Chicanito Hernandez when had like 16 pro fights under his belt.

Actually, he lost to a prime Mosley. Chicanito was a good win but he was out of weight - why they made him move up is beyond me. But neither here nor Molina are worthy of ATG wins, independent or colelctively.

Oscar fought EVERYONE of his time, I mean the guy even went up and fought Hopkins a guy he had no business even being in the ring with and according to Hopkins own words was giving him the toughest time than anyone he had ever fought.

More important than who is when, bud. And he lost to most of them.

Bro, Oscar was a beast in the boxing game, his pure boxing was one of the best ever, he was a classic boxer.

Loved his style, yes. Always used him in Knockout Kings 2000

It seems ****** to be defending Oscar, it really does. I get people don't like him...well actually I don't get that but whatever. Oscar he fighter was great and he fought everyone and never avoided one fighter.

I don't get what you have to defend. There's no questioning he's a great fighter. But when you say ATG...whoa. You don't get that by beating Chicanito Hernandez. Or by losing to great fighters. No way.

[IMDAZED]

Well sorry that I hurt your e feelings that the Pernell win was better than Barrera. But that's just my opinion.

That's fine. I disagree.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I love how people just ignore his win over Sweet Pea, just because they don't agree with the decision.

There's a lot of BS decisions but that wasn't one of them. I hate when people use the word "robbery" when it was a close fight.

There have been robberies in boxing but that wasn't one of them.

Like I said, I have watched DLH vs Trinidad and Mosley II many, many times and I can't see Oscar losing either one of those fights.

Do I call them robberies? NO but I can't discredit Oscar for losing those fights because they could have easily been called his way.

[IMDAZED]

I love how people just ignore his win over Sweet Pea, just because they don't agree with the decision.

I don't think people ignore it. But everything gets placed in its proper context. Again, more important than who is when. He won a disputed decision over a faded Pea. That's it.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Actually, he lost to a prime Mosley. Chicanito was a good win but he was out of weight - why they made him move up is beyond me. But neither here nor Molina are worthy of ATG wins, independent or colelctively.


More important than who is when, bud. And he lost to most of them.


Loved his style, yes. Always used him in Knockout Kings 2000

I don't get what you have to defend. There's no questioning he's a great fighter. But when you say ATG...whoa. You don't get that by beating Chicanito Hernandez. Or by losing to great fighters. No way.

OK, will you agree he beat a prime Tito, prime Mosley (Mosley II he lost the first one lets agree on that) prime Vargas. The reason I bring up Molina and Chicanito is to show the level of opposition he was fighting at such a young age.

He beat prime Leijas, Rafael Ruelas, undefeated champ Miguel Angel Gonzales, Pernell Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad, Mosley (while under the steroid controversy), Arturo Gatti, Yori Boy Campas, Ricardo Mayorga.

While past his prime he fought Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather who he took the distance.

Dude, his resume is sick.....

[IMDAZED]

OK, will you agree he beat a prime Tito, prime Mosley (Mosley II he lost the first one lets agree on that) prime Vargas. The reason I bring up Molina and Chicanito is to show the level of opposition he was fighting at such a young age.

No, I won't. It's unfair - especially since I'm giving him the Whitaker win. And he won quite a few disputed decisions himself. I can't do that. And he beat them up young but they still aren't ATG wins, independently or collectively. Period.

He beat prime Leijas, Rafael Ruelas, undefeated champ Miguel Angel Gonzales, Pernell Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad, Mosley (while under the steroid controversy), Arturo Gatti, Yori Boy Campas, Ricardo Mayorga.

My friend, Jesse James Leija was not in his prime when he fought Oscar. That's absurd. Furthermore, Rafael Ruelas and Miguel Angel Gonzalez are good victories. But nothing more! Come on. what ATG lists Rafael Ruelas and Miguel Angel Gonzalez??? Think about it. Arturo Gatti? Campas? Mayorga? Lord, we are really reaching here. More important than who is when. Remember that when you throw out names.

While past his prime he fought Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather who he took the distance.

He lost to both of them! WTF?? you don't add guys that you lost to!

When you start saying things like someone is an ATG, you can usually think of another prime, great HOF'er they beat. In Oscar's case, you are listing Miguel Angel Gonzalez and guys like Yori Boy Campas....what does that tell you?

My friend, Oscar is a great fighter. He is a HOF'er. But an ATG? When did we start lowering the standards?

[Jim Jeffries]

There's a lot of BS decisions but that wasn't one of them. I hate when people use the word "robbery" when it was a close fight.

There have been robberies in boxing but that wasn't one of them.

Like I said, I have watched DLH vs Trinidad and Mosley II many, many times and I can't see Oscar losing either one of those fights.

Do I call them robberies? NO but I can't discredit Oscar for losing those fights because they could have easily been called his way.

The only decisions I would consider gifts were the Sturm and maybe Quartey (I'll have to re watch it,) but like you say there were a couple he should've gotten, so it equals out.

I don't think people ignore it. But everything gets placed in its proper context. Again, more important than who is when. He won a disputed decision over a faded Pea. That's it.

So zero credit then?