Manny Pacquiao Vs Prince Naseem Ahmed at 126 ??

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I keep reading about all of Manny's downfalls at 126, but the fact remains he was undefeated until he fought Morales, then came back and destroyed him.

Not only that but he fought EVERYBODY. He fought all the best and won, and very convincingly (aside from JMM).

Get off the "Pac wasn't skilled at 126 like he is today" argument because it's bull**** guys.

I'm not a *******. The reason I had red k before this thread is because I've spoken out about Pacquiao and got attacked on this forum for it.

I call it like I see it.

Pacquiao beats Hamed KO before 10.

Nah, I dont think your a *******. *******s have no sense of reason like you do. Even though I disagree with you, I can respect your opinion because you at least explain yourself.

Pacquiao was good but he didn't have the fundmentals down like he does now. He threw himself off balance, crossed up his arms, would smother himself when opponents on the ropes. He fixed alot of those problems now but back then he didn't have that. So, yes, he wasn't as skilled back then as he is now.

Talking about Pacquiao's triumphs over MAB and EM hold little weight. MAB and EM fight absolutely nothing like Hamed. I will always go for the guy who is hard to hit when he's put against a guy who isn't very technical and is easy to hit.

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I see where you're coming from but the difference is, if Hamed made an attempt to engage Pacquiao, he would find that Pacquiao would move around him, light him up, then bounce back out.

I don't think Hamed has what it takes to engage a guy like Pac, that would lead to certain destruction very fast if you ask me.

Naseem would have to box him outside and keep him away but I don't think he has that kind of style.

Naz threw many counter punches while leaning backwards and that's not a mistake you can afford to make against a guy like Pacquiao.

Barrera about lifted him off the ground when he tried that **** on him.

what are you doing?

styles make fights, auto win for naz according to the ******

[CarlosG815]

1. Manny had lost to turcampo (sp) and sigurat(sp) so he wasn't undefeated when he lost to Morales

2. If you think Manny was as skill back then as he is today...I really don't know what to tell you. Freddy Roach, Boxing analyst, and just about everyone who follows boxing disagrees with that statement.

1. Those were at flyweight (112), not 126.

2. I didn't say he was as skilled then as he is today, he's definitely more polished, but people are making it sound like he was some half ass B class scrapper and that just is not the case.

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Nah, I dont think your a *******. *******s have no sense of reason like you do. Even though I disagree with you, I can respect your opinion because you at least explain yourself.

Pacquiao was good but he didn't have the fundmentals down like he does now. He threw himself off balance, crossed up his arms, would smother himself when opponents on the ropes. He fixed alot of those problems now but back then he didn't have that. So, yes, he wasn't as skilled back then as he is now.

Talking about Pacquiao's triumphs over MAB and EM hold little weight. MAB and EM fight absolutely nothing like Hamed. I will always go for the guy who is hard to hit when he's put against a guy who isn't very technical and is easy to hit.

that pacquiao beat fighters the likes of mab/jmm/em

[nujabes77]

1. Those were at flyweight (112), not 126.

2. I didn't say he was as skilled then as he is today, he's definitely more polished, but people are making it sound like he was some half ass B class scrapper and that just is not the case.

you must be new to the forums... pac never wins fantasy fights here

[CarlosG815]

that pacquiao beat fighters the likes of mab/jmm/em

Exactly.

I don't see how because he never fought a guy like Hamed, that gives Hamed an edge.

Barrera and Morales never fought a guy like Hamed and I guarantee you Morales would have KO'd him, and we have what MAB did on film.

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that pacquiao beat fighters the likes of mab/jmm/em

Not the same style as Hamed. Also, he went to a draw with JMM in that division. Super Feather is the weight he beat JMM at.

[The Hate Giver]

People act like hamed was this 126 pound version of floyd mayweather jr. he's not. Floyd at least was skilled up with proper boxing technique. Hamed wasnt.


Hamed was basically just like pacquiao. They werent technically gifted but they both relied on their athleticism, power, & speed The only difference is pac relied on his incredible will power, chin, & aggression while hamed relied on his relfexes. other than those differences they were basically the same.

The thing that separates both is that pac took on elite opposition while hamed took on bums & a couple of good fighters then when he stepped up to elite level completely got dominated.

Dont talk as if hamed was this technical master at 126. He wasnt. Pacquiao was a physically superior fighter compared to hamed & his aggression & will power would snuff hamed.

HAMED STANDS NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER.

[Khalid X]

Nah, I dont think your a *******. *******s have no sense of reason like you do. Even though I disagree with you, I can respect your opinion because you at least explain yourself.

Pacquiao was good but he didn't have the fundmentals down like he does now. He threw himself off balance, crossed up his arms, would smother himself when opponents on the ropes. He fixed alot of those problems now but back then he didn't have that. So, yes, he wasn't as skilled back then as he is now.

Talking about Pacquiao's triumphs over MAB and EM hold little weight. MAB and EM fight absolutely nothing like Hamed. I will always go for the guy who is hard to hit when he's put against a guy who isn't very technical and is easy to hit.

I get what you are saying. Listen, Im a huge fan of Manny, but that Manny back at 126 was always off balance because of poor footwork and positioning. Hamed was the same way, but the difference is Hamed had KO power in both hands and could knock people out cold even when he was off balance. To engage Hamed was pure suicide and with the way Manny was always off balance after throwing his left hand, he would have gotten stopped by Hamed.

I mean just go look at the Hussein fight and Nedal had him on ***** street and even dropped him with his left hook. That was Naseem's money punch and Pac had no defense for it back then.

This version of Pac crushes him, but not the one at 126.

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Exactly.

I don't see how because he never fought a guy like Hamed, that gives Hamed an edge.

Barrera and Morales never fought a guy like Hamed and I guarantee you Morales would have KO'd him, and we have what MAB did on film.

Erase names.

If I told you a guy who throws himself off balance, smothers himself during flurries with his opponents against the ropes, crosses his arms up at times, doesn't have the best chin, but has speed and great power

faught....

A guy who is really difficult to hit, throws himself off balance, has equal speed and good power.

Would you say the former or the latter wins? Honestly, no names. Just honestly from the style match up. It could be Khan and Valero I am talking about, who knows. No names, who wins?