Manny Pacquiao Vs Prince Naseem Ahmed at 126 ??

[Khalid X]

I've read everything you've wrote but what I still haven't seen is who the hell Naseem fought that was close to the guys that Pacquiao fought.

Naseem looked wobbly and off balance against Cesar Soto and Augie Sanchez. Pac, despite his minor flaws, was fighting guys like Barrera, Morales, and JMM, multiple times.

Please, tell me how you can possibly compare their downfalls when you look at the downfalls in comparison to the competition they faced.

Naz was wobbled by Soto and won a UD, Pac was wobbled by JMM, Barrera, and Morales and came out with KO's and a UD.

Where is your argument? It holds no water, man.

There is a huge difference between being wobbled (off balanced) and being hurt. Also you are counting the Morales and JMM II fight which were after pac left 126...so those don't count. I also broke down technically why Hamed stops Pac, so I don't get why you ask whats my argument? I mean I explain exactly why Hamed catching him and how Manny's flaws at the time play right into Hamed's strengths.

In reality Hamed's resume was very comparible to Manny's. I give the edge to Manny at the time because of MAB and JMM.

Honestly..its one of those agree to disagree arguments. That is my opinion but I can respect yours if you feel that way.

[The Hate Giver]

I agree that Manny has done that. But you gotta realize that we are stopping at 126 and not comparing anything after that. Its that version of Manny at 126 vs Hamed. If we compare KO's between the two, you will see Hamed has the more impressive and devasting of the two. Hamed had reals of him being off balance, KOing people with his left and right hand, KOing people stepping back etc.

I mean again I love both fighters but the Ring and KO magazine had a panel of voters and all said that Hamed was P4P the most devasting puncher in boxing at the time. They did this with there end of year rankings and awards....and I'm bringing this up so you know I'm not talking out my @ss.



I agree. I mentioned why he was the bigger puncher in my reply above ^^^. Hamed was constantly winning the award as p4p most devasting puncher in boxing at the time.




I agree 100%. He was an ATG in my book even at 126. I also consider Hamed, Barrera and Morales ATG's btw.



Actually 126 was the golden era of the division and was absolutley loaded with talent and ATG's. It was far from an ordinary division. With that said, Manny is the greatest fighter of this generation and it's not even close. I love Manny and you know (from my past post) that I ride with him to the end. I mean you see me blasting those haters and I even co-sign and help you out with against those flamers. At the same time, I recognize that Manny didn't have the work ethnic he has now back then, He didn't have the footwork, he didn't have the elite skill level he does now back then, and he didn't have Roach training him.

I mean I guess we can agree to disagree on this one, but that is just how I see it.

let me just say im not flaming here with you & you are a cool poster in my book, but yes we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Especially the work ethic part. Pac was a much harder worker back then than he is now. Pac was hungry & was still trying to make his name when he was 126. He had a mountain to climb.

Now he's on top. NO WAY HE IS A HARDER WORKER NOW THAN BACK WHEN HE WAS AT 126.

He is so much more famous now & has so much more distractions & responsibilities now than he had back then. The only reason why he's a better fighter now is that he has improved his overall skill set.

Pac aint hungry no more. He's in the struggling to maintain stage now.

[CarlosG815]

There is a huge difference between being wobbled (off balanced) and being hurt. Also you are counting the Morales and JMM II fight which were after pac left 126...so those don't count. I also broke down technically why Hamed stops Pac, so I don't get why you ask whats my argument? I mean I explain exactly why Hamed catching him and how Manny's flaws at the time play right into Hamed's strengths.

In reality Hamed's resume was very comparible to Manny's. I give the edge to Manny at the time because of MAB and JMM.

Honestly..its one of those agree to disagree arguments. That is my opinion but I can respect yours if you feel that way.

I respect your opinion.

But if you believe Hamed's resume is comparable to Pac's I'm kinda stumped. I'm asking myself

[Khalid X]

I respect your opinion.

But if you believe Hamed's resume is comparable to Pac's I'm kinda stumped. I'm asking myself

Not now...It's not even close...it Manny by far.

I'm talking about Manny's resume up to 126
Here is how I see it and let me know what you think

Pacquiao
Sasakul 33-1
Chockvivat 34-2
Ledwaba 33-1
Julio 44-3
Lucero 21-0
Barrera 57-3
Marquez 44-2
3k batter 44-7

Hamed
Bungu 37-2
Soto 54-7
Ingle 21-0
McCullough 22-1
Wilfredo Vazquez 50-7
Kelly 47-1
Tom Johnson 44-2
Manuel Medina

While I boxrec'd the records, I actually watched those fights. Also by Manny beating Barrera and fighting to a draw (a win IMO) against Marquez, I give Manny the nod (as far as both careers at that time)

Vazquez, prime Kelly, Bungu, Soto and McCullough are all great wins and his resume wasn't far behind Manny's. I never said better but very close, with manny getting the nod.

[Khalid X]

again, I'm opened minded but if you feel that they aren't close...do you mind explaining why. People sleep on Hamed's resume and I honestly believe that him and Manny's resume were very comparable at that time.

[CarlosG815]

Not now...It's not even close...it Manny by far.

I'm talking about Manny's resume up to 126
Here is how I see it and let me know what you think

Pacquiao
Sasakul 33-1
Chockvivat 34-2
Ledwaba 33-1
Julio 44-3
Lucero 21-0
Barrera 57-3
Marquez 44-2
3k batter 44-7

Hamed
Bungu 37-2
Soto 54-7
Ingle 21-0
McCullough 22-1
Wilfredo Vazquez 50-7
Kelly 47-1
Tom Johnson 44-2
Manuel Medina

While I boxrec'd the records, I actually watched those fights. Also by Manny beating Barrera and fighting to a draw (a win IMO) against Marquez, I give Manny the nod (as far as both careers at that time)

Vazquez, prime Kelly, Bungu, Soto and McCullough are all great wins and his resume wasn't far behind Manny's. I never said better but very close, with manny getting the nod.

Good comparison, and I give Manny the nod as well.

Keep in mind Manny fought at 126 for much less time than Hamed. Hamed spent 80% of his career at SFW, while Manny saw'd through competition and moved up - another testament to his greatness.

[The Hate Giver]

Actually 126 was the golden era of the division and was absolutley loaded with talent and ATG's. It was far from an ordinary division. With that said, Manny is the greatest fighter of this generation and it's not even close. I love Manny and you know (from my past post) that I ride with him to the end. I mean you see me blasting those haters and I even co-sign and help you out with against those flamers. At the same time, I recognize that Manny didn't have the work ethnic he has now back then, He didn't have the footwork, he didn't have the elite skill level he does now back then, and he didn't have Roach training him.

I mean I guess we can agree to disagree on this one, but that is just how I see it.

There is a huge difference between being wobbled (off balanced) and being hurt. Also you are counting the Morales and JMM II fight which were after pac left 126...so those don't count. I also broke down technically why Hamed stops Pac, so I don't get why you ask whats my argument? I mean I explain exactly why Hamed catching him and how Manny's flaws at the time play right into Hamed's strengths.

In reality Hamed's resume was very comparible to Manny's. I give the edge to Manny at the time because of MAB and JMM.

Honestly..its one of those agree to disagree arguments. That is my opinion but I can respect yours if you feel that way.

Agreed. It was a golden era for featherweights.

Its funny that junior spyder jones, derrick gainer, injin chi, johnny tapia, erik morales, juan manuel marquez & manny pacquiao are all missing from naseem hamed's resume.


There's a reason why he's not in the hall of fame.



i ****iing hate naseem hamed's guts.

[Khalid X]

Good comparison, and I give Manny the nod as well.

Keep in mind Manny fought at 126 for much less time than Hamed. Hamed spent 80% of his career at SFW, while Manny saw'd through competition and moved up - another testament to his greatness.

I agree, which is why I say he is the greatest fighter of this generation (Pac).

[Khalid X]

Agreed. It was a golden era for featherweights.

Its funny that junior spyder jones, derrick gainer, injin chi, johnny tapia, erik morales, juan manuel marquez & manny pacquiao are all missing from naseem hamed's resume.


There's a reason why he's not in the hall of fame.



i ****iing hate naseem hamed's guts.

I can see that, and I hate Hamed for that also. If your interesting in knowing why....what happened was HBO had put together a fight plan for Hamed. He was the cash cow in the lower weight classes and HBO put alot of money behind him. He was suppose to fight Morales, Tapia, Kovacs, Marquez and others but after his American debut against Barrera, he lost his love for boxing and faded into oblivion. He then got into legal troubles, and almost went to prison for a long time for it.

He disappointing a lot of people because just when all the stars started to move into 126, Hamed became unmotivated and eventually retired.

[CarlosG815]

Agreed. It was a golden era for featherweights.

Its funny that junior spyder jones, derrick gainer, injin chi, johnny tapia, erik morales, juan manuel marquez & manny pacquiao are all missing from naseem hamed's resume.

Excellent point.

Nobody can refute these facts.

Great showman. Great boxer? Not so much.