Manny Pacquiao Vs Prince Naseem Ahmed at 126 ??

[Khalid X]

There are too many other variables, and Manny doesn't have a weak chin.

Erase names but consider this.

Fighter A ducked all elite competition. He fought one great fighter and lost 11 rounds then retired.

Fighter B fought the toughest competition out there, all ATG's, and destroyed them all in spectacular fashion, including the guy who beat Fighter A for 11 rounds.

Which fighter wins?

Who did Hamed duck? He fought the best fighters when he was at 122 and 126. When all the great fighters were moving into his division....that is when he retired. He would have fought them....but lost his desire for boxing. I would have loved to see him take his manditory against Marquez, face Tapia, Morales and Pac, but at the same time if you don't love the sport then you need to move on (which he did)

I do however agree that Pac faced ATG's and absolutely destroyed them. Him beating Barrera really made my day.

[The Hate Giver]

I agree with everythiing except the fact that Hamed had the better chin and also was a bigger puncher and KO power in both hands. In a brawl, which is what this would have been, that version of Pac gets knocked out.

how does he have a better chin than pac when he got wobbled with arm punches vs MAB MULTIPLE TIMES!!!!

seriously people, pac went 12 hard rounds vs marquez at 126, 11 rnds vs mab, & in his 1st fight at 130 went after morales all in a 2-3 year span while he was raw, green, one armed bandit, with horrible defense YET NEVER WENT DOWN!!!

Hamed went down vs a weak ass vesion of kevin kelley. how does hamed have a better chin than a former flyweight who is now fighting at welterweight?

dont let my username disarm you. im an alt. i may give hate, but i also give boxing knowledge.

[dakoNYCaso]

Please stop with this fantasy bull****.... Who the hell did Hamed beat at 126 that makes anyone remotely think he has a chance with Pac????

With all Pac's flaws at 126 (compared to what he is now) his resume was already HOF status....

[Khalid X]

Please, you have to explain this to me. I'm dying to know why you think the Manny that fought tougher competition at 126 than he's fought in the past 3-4 years gets KO'd by a guy like Hamed.

You haven't backed up anything you've said. Manny made mistakes here and there in the ring, but he was still the greatest fighter at 126 at the time.

Dude you must have not read a thing I said (not to flame)

Both had equal speed, but Hamed had KO power in both Hameds, and could Stop opens even when off balanced. Hamed had a better chin than Manny because I have never seen Hamed seriously hurt, but I had seen Manny on ***** street against Hussein....a fight that wasn't even that far removed from when Manny moved to 126.

Both are similar in the fact that they were aggressive, had balance issues, and had bad footwork. Hamed's footwork was slightly better though.

The problem for Manny is this; Back then he was always off balance after he through he straight left. This was a footwork issue (I could break down exactly why if you like) that always left him open for a left hook. Hussein dropped him and later had him on ***** street with his left hook, and seeing that Hamed is a southpaw and his left hook was his money punch, Manny would be in for a long night.

In a brawl, when both guys are similar in speed, the guy with more power will always win. Not only that....Hamed could end a fight with either hand and Manny was alway opened to get countered back then (watch Marquez fight). I give Manny and Roach props though, because they have been spending 2-3 hours a day working on footwork alone, and this version of Pac eats a counter puncher alive.

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Pac by manslaughter.

[The Hate Giver]

Listen I understand that. Im just saying that due to Pac always being off balance after throwing his left hand, he was open to left hooks. I brought up the hussein fight because that is what Nedal was catching him with and hurting him.

again the best version of manny gets KO'd by Hamed at 126. I love Manny but he was not even close (at 126) to the fighter he is now. Manny is a machine and this generations best fighter, but the things that make him great...he really didn't possess back then.

I agree with everythiing except the fact that Hamed had the better chin and also was a bigger puncher and KO power in both hands. In a brawl, which is what this would have been, that version of Pac gets knocked out.

you have lost your gawd dam mind osiris. You are pretty close to getting some hate from the hate giver.

1.Hamed was not a better puncher than manny at any point in time. There was a exhaustive thread asking a qustion who punches harder p4p hamed or pac. im just so shocked at how idiotic people are in choosing hamed.

Pac has tko, ko, scored heavy knockdowns, grazing knockdowns IN EVERY SINGLE DIVISION he has ever graced in. 112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147. How does hamed punch harder?

2. Manny possessed heavy potent relentlessness, speed, power, will power/ mental toughness, & incredible confidence at 126. All of which made him a great fighter. AT 126. What he added these last few years is more seasoning, craftiness, righthook, & overall completeness as a fighter made him an ATG.

begginer then young prospect then contender then champion then greatness then all time greatness.

Pac went through all levels while hamed got stuck at champion. You cant have what you have now with pac which is the rare legendary all time greatness with out walking through the commonly regular great level which he was at 126.

[Khalid X]

how does he have a better chin than pac when he got wobbled with arm punches vs MAB MULTIPLE TIMES!!!!

seriously people, pac went 12 hard rounds vs marquez at 126, 11 rnds vs mab, & in his 1st fight at 130 went after morales all in a 2-3 year span while he was raw, green, one armed bandit, with horrible defense YET NEVER WENT DOWN!!!

Hamed went down vs a weak ass vesion of kevin kelley. how does hamed have a better chin than a former flyweight who is now fighting at welterweight?

dont let my username disarm you. im an alt. i may give hate, but i also give boxing knowledge.

Hamed was wobbled because he was off balance. His equilebrium was always there in that fight. Pac has a great chin, but I have seen him in trouble more than I have seen Hamed.

Pac was in trouble against Touracampo, Sigurat, Hussein...just off the top of my head, while I can't think of any time in Hamed's career he was every seriously hurt.

Hamed has the same issues Marquez does, except he is worst in a sense. Marquez gets dropped constantly due to poor balance, and Hamed has the worst balance in the history of boxing. That dude is constantly off the ground, not planted and off balance, which results in him getting wobbled and dropped. The thing is this; while that happens to Hamed, he is never seriously hurt or in danger. If you can name a time when Hamed was on ***** street...I would love to know.

[Chunk..]

Most, if not all of the times Hamed got knocked down was due to him being off balance.

[Khalid X]

you have lost your gawd dam mind osiris. You are pretty close to getting some hate from the hate giver.

1.Hamed was not a better puncher than manny at any point in time. There was a exhaustive thread asking a qustion who punches harder p4p hamed or pac. im just so shocked at how idiotic people are in choosing hamed.

I agree that Manny has done that. But you gotta realize that we are stopping at 126 and not comparing anything after that. Its that version of Manny at 126 vs Hamed. If we compare KO's between the two, you will see Hamed has the more impressive and devasting of the two. Hamed had reals of him being off balance, KOing people with his left and right hand, KOing people stepping back etc.

I mean again I love both fighters but the Ring and KO magazine had a panel of voters and all said that Hamed was P4P the most devasting puncher in boxing at the time. They did this with there end of year rankings and awards....and I'm bringing this up so you know I'm not talking out my @ss.

Pac has tko, ko, scored heavy knockdowns, grazing knockdowns IN EVERY SINGLE DIVISION he has ever graced in. 112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147. How does hamed punch harder?

I agree. I mentioned why he was the bigger puncher in my reply above ^^^. Hamed was constantly winning the award as p4p most devasting puncher in boxing at the time.

2. Manny possessed heavy potent relentlessness, speed, power, will power/ mental toughness, & incredible confidence at 126. All of which made him a great fighter. AT 126. What he added these last few years is more seasoning, craftiness, righthook, & overall completeness as a fighter made him an ATG.

I agree 100%. He was an ATG in my book even at 126. I also consider Hamed, Barrera and Morales ATG's btw.

begginer
Pac went through all levels while hamed got stuck at champion. You cant have what you have now with pac which is the rare legendary all time greatness with out walking through the commonly regular great level which he was at 126.

Actually 126 was the golden era of the division and was absolutley loaded with talent and ATG's. It was far from an ordinary division. With that said, Manny is the greatest fighter of this generation and it's not even close. I love Manny and you know (from my past post) that I ride with him to the end. I mean you see me blasting those haters and I even co-sign and help you out with against those flamers. At the same time, I recognize that Manny didn't have the work ethnic he has now back then, He didn't have the footwork, he didn't have the elite skill level he does now back then, and he didn't have Roach training him.

I mean I guess we can agree to disagree on this one, but that is just how I see it.

[CarlosG815]

Dude you must have not read a thing I said (not to flame)

Both had equal speed, but Hamed had KO power in both Hameds, and could Stop opens even when off balanced. Hamed had a better chin than Manny because I have never seen Hamed seriously hurt, but I had seen Manny on ***** street against Hussein....a fight that wasn't even that far removed from when Manny moved to 126.

Both are similar in the fact that they were aggressive, had balance issues, and had bad footwork. Hamed's footwork was slightly better though.

The problem for Manny is this; Back then he was always off balance after he through he straight left. This was a footwork issue (I could break down exactly why if you like) that always left him open for a left hook. Hussein dropped him and later had him on ***** street with his left hook, and seeing that Hamed is a southpaw and his left hook was his money punch, Manny would be in for a long night.

In a brawl, when both guys are similar in speed, the guy with more power will always win. Not only that....Hamed could end a fight with either hand and Manny was alway opened to get countered back then (watch Marquez fight). I give Manny and Roach props though, because they have been spending 2-3 hours a day working on footwork alone, and this version of Pac eats a counter puncher alive.

I've read everything you've wrote but what I still haven't seen is who the hell Naseem fought that was close to the guys that Pacquiao fought.

Naseem looked wobbly and off balance against Cesar Soto and Augie Sanchez. Pac, despite his minor flaws, was fighting guys like Barrera, Morales, and JMM, multiple times.

Please, tell me how you can possibly compare their downfalls when you look at the downfalls in comparison to the competition they faced.

Naz was wobbled by Soto and won a UD, Pac was wobbled by JMM, Barrera, and Morales and came out with KO's and a UD.

Where is your argument? It holds no water, man.