PAC Already has a better resume at WW

[War Dinamita]

Yeah, I agree with you with him being world class. Thats why I always state he was a top WW. I don't know if the Ring or other orgs dropped him after the Pac fight though.

But Clottey's O is horrible. His defense is an A+ but his Offense is a C-. So he would be an B level fighter imo.

Clottey's defense is very good, but he doesn't have an A+ defense. Floyd has an A+ defense. If you can side step, avoid getting hit, not get hit with any clean punches, not take major punishment, etc. makes you a good defender.

Standing in front of your opponent with your hands up because you're afraid of getting hit doesn't make you a good defender, when you still get hurt with body shots and clean punches.

Clottey's Defense is a B+.

[Bogler]

I personally never said Hatton was shot, but I do believe Cotto was not the same fighter and it's kinda hard to argue when Freddie Roach and people from that camp say the same thing.

so are you one of those who cherrypicks in what to believe in roach if it favors your fighter and proclaim bull**** on everything else he says if it's against it?

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BTW all of you that have brought MAB & Pacs past into this have gotten off the thread subject!!!!!

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how was MAB shot at that time if he he didnt lose 3 years prior to his match with manny, and going on another 4 years without a loss after manny, he was also 29.

Shane's lost 5x prior to this match with floyd, reduced to ESPN friday night fights some years ago. He was supposed to be a tuneup against Margarito but ended up routing him, and that was almost a YEAR and a half ago.

So how was MAB shot 7 years ago, but Shane isnt today. If MAB was shot, Shane is in a wheelchair. Again, I dont think Shane is "shot" but clearly he's not in his prime, and at 39, he's more closer to shot than primed. Throwing out "MAB is shot" is just too easy and incomprehensible

A shot fighter can't put Mayorga on his back. A shot fighter isn't destroying Margarito, specially after a year lay-off.

Like i said, Mosley being shot makes no sense. If you want to call him old, okay. Lost a step, okay. Shot is way out of context.

MAB, alright, I may be going over-board with that but he was old then. At the least you can say he was old. I don't take that win away from Pac though, never have and never will.

I agree. And its not even close.

Another thing Packy never gets credit for is fighting JMM at his best weight 26' and 30'.

While Floyd fought him at 47'...

2 wins at WW is better than Floyd's resume at WW? C'mon Dap.

Like I said, WBC champs... who else is there to fight? Contenders? Nope. Mosley? They were both playing footsies with each other. Who was there to fight at WW then?

[tesla_power]

Don't say that. Clottey may be a B level fighter but thats because he has a horrible offense. Not even because of the Pacquiao fight, he ALWAYS had a horrible offense.

Clottey was a top WW at the time. He was available and the easiest to beat. So they chose him. Who else could they have chosen?

1. Floyd
2. SSM
3. Berto
4. Vyacheslav Senchenko

Don't mention Yuri, he aint nobody. Floyd fight fell out. Roach already said they weren't fighting Mosley. Berto went to haiti. No way will Roach let Pacquiao fight Senchenko. So who is left? Clottey.

I believe that was the pre-cotto fight wherein Roach was unsure how pac would get in there with an elite WW. He already changed his tune since then. The reason they could not chose Mosley is because on unavailability. SSM-Berto was still tied up when Pac's team made the decision.

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Clottey's defense is very good, but he doesn't have an A+ defense. Floyd has an A+ defense. If you can side step, avoid getting hit, not get hit with any clean punches, not take major punishment, etc. makes you a good defender.

Standing in front of your opponent with your hands up because you're afraid of getting hit doesn't make you a good defender, when you still get hurt with body shots and clean punches.

Clottey's Defense is a B+.

You can't base everything off his one loss to Pacquiao.

The guy endures an onslaught of punishment for 12 rounds and looks like he took a stroll in the park. That's A defense, if not getting hit at all is A+. Then Clottey's defense of blocking everything you throw, is an A at the least.

[Glamour Puss]

A shot fighter can't put Mayorga on his back. A shot fighter isn't destroying Margarito, specially after a year lay-off.

Like i said, Mosley being shot makes no sense. If you want to call him old, okay. Lost a step, okay. Shot is way out of context.

MAB, alright, I may be going over-board with that but he was old then. At the least you can say he was old. I don't take that win away from Pac though, never have and never will.



2 wins at WW is better than Floyd's resume at WW? C'mon Dap.

Like I said, WBC champs... who else is there to fight? Contenders? Nope. Mosley? They were both playing footsies with each other. Who was there to fight at WW then?

Morales, Barrera, JMM (who I thought won 2x), Hatton at a higher weight class, Cotto, Clottey are better than anything Floyd has come to doing.

Floyds best win is what? A questionable decision against Castillo almost 10 years ago?

He should've been fighting Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, Clottey instead of Bruseles, Ndou's, Gatti's and Baldomirs.

Pac did what he was always too chicken **** to do imo.

The fact that Pac fought Cotto before Floyd tells you everything.

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I believe that was the pre-cotto fight wherein Roach was unsure how pac would get in there with an elite WW. He already changed his tune since then. The reason they could not chose Mosley is because on unavailability. SSM-Berto was still tied up when Pac's team made the decision.

No. Freddie exactly said.

"Mosley is too good and too big. He isn't fighting Pacquiao unless he agrees to a 142lb weight limit."

That is called, not wanting to fight Mosley.



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Morales, Barrera, JMM (who I thought won 2x), Hatton at a higher weight class, Cotto, Clottey are better than anything Floyd has come to doing.

Floyds best win is what? A questionable decision against Castillo almost 10 years ago?

He should've been fighting Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, Clottey instead of Bruseles, Ndou's, Gatti's and Baldomirs.

Pac did what he was always too chicken **** to do imo.

The fact that Pac fought Cotto before Floyd tells you everything.

The thread isn't overall resume though. It's only WW fights.

[shogunn]

A shot fighter can't put Mayorga on his back. A shot fighter isn't destroying Margarito, specially after a year lay-off.

Like i said, Mosley being shot makes no sense. If you want to call him old, okay. Lost a step, okay. Shot is way out of context.

MAB, alright, I may be going over-board with that but he was old then. At the least you can say he was old. I don't take that win away from Pac though, never have and never will.



2 wins at WW is better than Floyd's resume at WW? C'mon Dap.

Like I said, WBC champs... who else is there to fight? Contenders? Nope. Mosley? They were both playing footsies with each other. Who was there to fight at WW then?

I cant say MAB was old at 29. If he's old, then what is shane at 39? Again, MABs only loss in between 2000-2007 was manny. I didnt say shane was shot, I said he's more closer to shot than primed. which is true.

And shane beating mayora, uhhh..yeah. Margarito was a great win, but the only notable one of shanes career in almost 7 years. Unless you count a fat fernando vargas 2x.