PAC Already has a better resume at WW

[Wukillabeez78]

Cotto is damaged goods.

DLH is shot, past prime, and was weight drained.

Clottey is a B-level fighter who has no offensive game.

SSM right now > Better than anyone who Manny fought.

Cotto didn't really become damaged until Manny beat him. You can recover from a physical beating (like the one Margarito gave him). That was the only beating Cotto had ever had up to that point in his career. He was able to get over it quickly, especially since he could tell himself that he probably didn't really get beat fair and square after Margarito was caught cheating in his very next fight. Pacquiao's beating was worse. He beat Cotto physically and Cotto can't ease the beating his psyche took because their are no excuses like after the Margarito fight, Pacquiao beat him fair and square.

De La Hoya didn't feel he was past prime and many thought he'd win. Pacquiao didn't force him to fight at 147, it was De La Hoya who said he'd drop down from 154 to 147 while requiring Pacquiao to move up 2 weight classes from 135 to 147. De La Hoya dictated everything about this fight (just as he did when he fought Mayweather) from the weight, to the size of the gloves to the location and Manny still prevailed.

Clottey is a B-level fighter however he has displayed much more offense in the past against other opponents (like Cotto). He wasn't aggressive because he didn't want to get knocked out like Manny's other recent victims.

Shane Mosley is a great fighter and is the first true test for Mayweather since his De La Hoya fight almost three years ago.

[F l i c k e r]

I cant say MAB was old at 29. If he's old, then what is shane at 39? Again, MABs only loss in between 2000-2007 was manny. I didnt say shane was shot, I said he's more closer to shot than primed. which is true.

And shane beating mayora, uhhh..yeah. Margarito was a great win, but the only notable one of shanes career in almost 7 years. Unless you count a fat fernando vargas 2x.

Well, I can't argue MAB because I don't take that away from Pacquiao in the first place. I still think something was off, maybe I am wrong, I don't know.

But Mosley isn't shot, old maybe but anyone calling him shot, I don't agree with that.

[tesla_power]

No. Freddie exactly said.

"Mosley is too good and too big. He isn't fighting Pacquiao unless he agrees to a 142lb weight limit."

That is called, not wanting to fight Mosley.

I'm not dis*****g what you said. Just the timeline of the statement. I recall he said that May or June last year. After the Cotto fight, none. A statement then from Roach that he would like the winner of Floyd-SSM. If you could get an article that got that quote post Cotto fight, I'll back down.

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I'm not dis*****g what you said. Just the timeline of the statement. I recall he said that May or June last year. After the Cotto fight, none. A statement then from Roach that he would like the winner of Floyd-SSM. If you could get an article that got that quote post Cotto fight, I'll back down.

Go to 1:24. Freddie on video saying it himself.

[Sex Therapist]

Pacquiao is just an amazing fighter.

[Avenue]

a shot DLH
a C level fighter in Clottey
Hatton? ...

HA! comedy

[tesla_power]

Go to 1:24. Freddie on video saying it himself.

That is May 6, 2009. Says on the comment field.


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[Wukillabeez78]

Well, I can't argue MAB because I don't take that away from Pacquiao in the first place. I still think something was off, maybe I am wrong, I don't know.

But Mosley isn't shot, old maybe but anyone calling him shot, I don't agree with that.

Barrera was a great win for Pacquiao. Unless you've been through wars, 29 is still prime time for a fighter. Mosley at 39 isn't shot but he's definitely old and because of that he doesn't give consistent good performances like a younger fighter would. Lets hope May 1st is a good (if not great) performance for him.

[Glamour Puss]

The thread isn't overall resume though. It's only WW fights.

Clottey, Cotto>>> Baldomir.

Easy.

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Doesn't matter he still said it. You have undeniable truth right before your eyes but want to bring up the date. When it's not like it was 2003 when it happened.

There is a more recent one where Freddie talks about Mosley comming into the gym twice and trying to get the fight done but Freddie wanted it at 142.

It's in one of those exposed videos. I can't find it but if I got my hands on even the steroid exposed video, I could find it.