unfair advantage: steroids or coming in over the agreed limit against a smaller man?

[Eaner0919]

What did weight have anything to do with de la hoya/vargas? That was the weight where they were arguably at their best...what the **** are you talking about?

he is sighting that Vargas taking steroids had little to no effect over JLC weighing 3 (not two) pounds over the limit and he got the KO

nevermind about DLH being the better fighter period nevermind about both JLC and Chico going to war like it was round 11 12 13 and 14

nah it was the roids that didnt help and the weight that did

seriously guy has lost it

[Alibata]

whoa whoa whoa

why isnt that the point? we ALL know (well except for the Manny fans who think everything he does ****s gold) that DLH was a shell, was a ghost and Roach even admitted as much.

so again why ISNT that the point?

and I am sorry I have to do this to you but let me own this one right here




but then if THATS THE CASE why do you say:




huh?

you contradicted your own arguement dude

I mean I understand some of you fight for Manny like he gave you money but damn you tripped over your own statements right there

/next

Don't mean Floyd can't make 144 both fighters fighting out of their comfort zone. Floyd made it 1 fighter fighting out of his comfort zone. There was a catch weight for a reason. Floyd knew he could make weight he just did not want to. Floyd aint too big not to make 144, I have seen Floyd in person, I have sat beside him in the MGM. He can make 144.

[gqjohnb]

he is sighting that Vargas taking steroids had little to no effect over JLC weighing 3 (not two) pounds over the limit and he got the KO

nevermind about DLH being the better fighter period nevermind about both JLC and Chico going to war like it was round 11 12 13 and 14

nah it was the roids that didnt help and the weight that did

seriously guy has lost it

Thanks for pointing out the holes I was referring to lol

[FLY TY]

wait wait wait, when did I say it was?

And can you please stop dancing around my question?

your question was what again?

we have no idea if floyd can make 144 easily, the only people who know that are floyd and his team. none of us know, hes 33 years old and hasnt had to make anywhere near that weight in over 5 years, we have no clue.

And if marquez genuinely felt slighted by mayweather, he would have never taken the money the night before, 600,000 mind you. Obviously you feel worse about it than marquez again.

Like earner said, how many fighters have been totally suspended from fighting because they didint make weight?

Titles get taken away, sure, but it doesnt stop the fight from happening. Also, why did you bring up Vargas/De La Hoya? that makes absolutely no sense. Vargas was on roids and lost, it had NOTHING to do with weight.

So again, like usual, you barely have any grasp on reality, comparing steroids to not making weight is just ****ing ******.

i was gonna ask how he knew floyd could easily make 144, too.

[DIB42]

Wow, you're seriously asking this?

when you come in overweight, your opponent knows, you'll be fined, your opponent can back out of the fight if they choose. Its an advantage for sure, and its not "fair" but its no where near the extent of taking an illegal substance, lying about it, and comming in all doped up...

PEDs are a huge advantage because they make you somewhat "superhuman" they give you a chemically induced advantage. Comming in overweight means you're just a lazy **** or you can't make that weight anymore, but its known and its out in the open. Its an advantage but at least its a known advantage.

I assume this is some sort of pacman vs floyd thread? Which is ******, this is like saying "i believe manny is on peds, but its not as big an advantage as floyd comming in overweight"

Manny has not been proven to be on PEDs, no need to have this kind of poll be related to him at all...

Floyd has come in overweight for one of his fights, and Marquez said ok, i'll take the money.

[Alibata]

he is sighting that Vargas taking steroids had little to no effect over JLC weighing 3 (not two) pounds over the limit and he got the KO

nevermind about DLH being the better fighter period nevermind about both JLC and Chico going to war like it was round 11 12 13 and 14

nah it was the roids that didnt help and the weight that did

seriously guy has lost it

You don't think the added weight helped JLC then your delusional. They were going at it the same way the first fight. When they fought in the rematch it was apparent from the beginning Diego wasn't gonna last long.

[Eaner0919]

Don't mean Floyd can't make 144 both fighters fighting out of their comfort zone. Floyd made it 1 fighter fighting out of his comfort zone. There was a catch weight for a reason. Floyd knew he could make weight he just did not want to. Floyd aint too big not to make 144, I have seen Floyd in person, I have sat beside him in the MGM. He can make 144.

but as you say

he is a natural 147lb fighter

too easy

and lets not forget

JMM called Mayweather out JMM should be willing to move up to fight him

the onus clearly is not on Mayweather to do anything other than fight him

or do you disagree so I can own you some more?

[FLY TY]

Don't mean Floyd can't make 144 both fighters fighting out of their comfort zone. Floyd made it 1 fighter fighting out of his comfort zone. There was a catch weight for a reason. Floyd knew he could make weight he just did not want to. Floyd aint too big not to make 144, I have seen Floyd in person, I have sat beside him in the MGM. He can make 144.

the question is HOW DO YOU KNOW what happened with the weight thing?

b/c of your hate for the guy, you ASSUME he didn't make weight on purpose.


i can't argue on assumptions dude, just facts.

[2501]

the question is HOW DO YOU KNOW what happened with the weight thing?

b/c of your hate for the guy, you ASSUME he didn't make weight on purpose.


i can't argue on assumptions dude, just facts.

Wtf, yo? Why won't you answer my question? It's a simple question to be answered. And why wont you quote me where I equated coming in over weight to taking PEDS?

[El Jesus]

Corrales vs. Castillo 2 was a weight issue and Corrales got his ass handed to him in the 2nd meeting. Your right Vargas was on roids and lost. Just making a case for weight being an unfair advantage maybe more so than Peds which has been around and really aint helped nobody in boxing.

you dont know how much roids helped or didint help anyone since most of the advantages of it come from training, mosley won his fight with DLH, Toney won his fight against Ruiz etc.

Also, Corralles got his ass handed to him, but truthfully, what hurts that argument is even though Corralles was knocked out, there is no garuntee that wouldnt happen again anyway, Corralles was completely shot by that fight and it was the last great fight of his career, he had literally no wins after that.

Regardless, whats with this "floyd is a natural 147lber" bull****. Floyd with his 26 fights at featherweight, really showed he was so much bigger than everyone he fought.

get the **** outta here. take youre head outta pacquiaos ass for one minute and realize that this topic is not only a failure, but look at the poll itself.

and dont even pretend it has anything to do with floyd, because floyd loses literally every poll on here.