unfair advantage: steroids or coming in over the agreed limit against a smaller man?

[Alibata]

answer this then

name one fighter who has been suspended because he weighed two lbs over the limit contracted

just one

That aint the point. We both know Floyd can make 144 easy. Regardless of his layoff he was still fighting a man that @ the same weight would still be the underdog regardless of the 2 year layoff. Coming in at 146 when your opponent comes in at 142 is a slap in the face. We all knew whatever chance Marquez had was out the window the minute Floyd weighed in.

[gqjohnb]

I'll give you one example. Vargas vs. DLH / Corrales vs. Castillio 2

So because DLH beat Vargas ass and Vargas was on steroids that means steroids are not advantageous? You don't see any holes in that argument?

[Alibata]

So because DLH beat Vargas ass and Vargas was on steroids that means steroids are not advantageous? You don't see any holes in that argument?

I'm just sighting precedents of weight being a bigger factor.

[2501]

how is that even close to being comparable with somebody purposely taking steroids?

wait wait wait, when did I say it was?

And can you please stop dancing around my question?

[El Jesus]

That aint the point. We both know Floyd can make 144 easy. Regardless of his layoff he was still fighting a man that @ the same weight would still be the underdog regardless of the 2 year layoff. Coming in at 146 when your opponent comes in at 142 is a slap in the face. We all knew whatever chance Marquez had was out the window the minute Floyd weighed in.

we have no idea if floyd can make 144 easily, the only people who know that are floyd and his team. none of us know, hes 33 years old and hasnt had to make anywhere near that weight in over 5 years, we have no clue.

And if marquez genuinely felt slighted by mayweather, he would have never taken the money the night before, 600,000 mind you. Obviously you feel worse about it than marquez again.

Like earner said, how many fighters have been totally suspended from fighting because they didint make weight?

Titles get taken away, sure, but it doesnt stop the fight from happening. Also, why did you bring up Vargas/De La Hoya? that makes absolutely no sense. Vargas was on roids and lost, it had NOTHING to do with weight.

So again, like usual, you barely have any grasp on reality, comparing steroids to not making weight is just ****ing ******.

[gqjohnb]

That aint the point. We both know Floyd can make 144 easy. Regardless of his layoff he was still fighting a man that @ the same weight would still be the underdog regardless of the 2 year layoff. Coming in at 146 when your opponent comes in at 142 is a slap in the face. We all knew whatever chance Marquez had was out the window the minute Floyd weighed in.

No if anything the weight of Marquez and his sluggishness was a telling factor in the fight that I will give you but those 2 lbs wasn't what made his win unattainable that's BS. The reason why I don't criticize Floyd so much for being over the catch-weight is because the only significant effect that would have on the fight is if trying to get down to that weight drained him and effected his performance. You will also never see me giving a lot of credit to floyd for whooping marquez ass considering.

[El Jesus]

I'm just sighting precedents of weight being a bigger factor.

What did weight have anything to do with de la hoya/vargas? That was the weight where they were arguably at their best...what the **** are you talking about?

[Eaner0919]

That aint the point. We both know Floyd can make 144 easy. Regardless of his layoff he was still fighting a man that @ the same weight would still be the underdog regardless of the 2 year layoff. Coming in at 146 when your opponent comes in at 142 is a slap in the face. We all knew whatever chance Marquez had was out the window the minute Floyd weighed in.

whoa whoa whoa

why isnt that the point? we ALL know (well except for the Manny fans who think everything he does ****s gold) that DLH was a shell, was a ghost and Roach even admitted as much.

so again why ISNT that the point?

and I am sorry I have to do this to you but let me own this one right here

You know Oscar is a bigger man then Floyd right? Floyd is a natural 147 lbder fighting a natural 135lbder. Marquez was @ a disadvantage from the get go. Floyd is not even a big 147 fighter. He woulda made 144 without as much of the ill effects Marquez had going up to 144(142). it showed in the fight. Marquez was sluggish.

but then if THATS THE CASE why do you say:

That aint the point. We both know Floyd can make 144 easy. Regardless of his layoff he was still fighting a man that @ the same weight would still be the underdog regardless of the 2 year layoff. Coming in at 146 when your opponent comes in at 142 is a slap in the face. We all knew whatever chance Marquez had was out the window the minute Floyd weighed in.

huh?

you contradicted your own arguement dude

I mean I understand some of you fight for Manny like he gave you money but damn you tripped over your own statements right there

/next

[Alibata]

we have no idea if floyd can make 144 easily, the only people who know that are floyd and his team. none of us know, hes 33 years old and hasnt had to make anywhere near that weight in over 5 years, we have no clue.

And if marquez genuinely felt slighted by mayweather, he would have never taken the money the night before, 600,000 mind you. Obviously you feel worse about it than marquez again.

Like earner said, how many fighters have been totally suspended from fighting because they didint make weight?

Titles get taken away, sure, but it doesnt stop the fight from happening. Also, why did you bring up Vargas/De La Hoya? that makes absolutely no sense. Vargas was on roids and lost, it had NOTHING to do with weight.

So again, like usual, you barely have any grasp on reality, comparing steroids to not making weight is just ****ing ******.

Corrales vs. Castillo 2 was a weight issue and Corrales got his ass handed to him in the 2nd meeting. Your right Vargas was on roids and lost. Just making a case for weight being an unfair advantage maybe more so than Peds which has been around and really aint helped nobody in boxing.

[FLY TY]

I'm just sighting precedents of weight being a bigger factor.

see Corrales-Casamayor III