unfair advantage: steroids or coming in over the agreed limit against a smaller man?

[2501]

how much do you weigh, dogg?

I asked you a question first. If the fighter agrees to it, that makes it ok?

[Alibata]

Another bump worthy thread...smh... When I read this I thought it was a goofy floyd fan but then I get on here and its this dude saying that coming in two lbs over a catch weight is worse or even comparable to using PED's lol. wow...just wow. This guy is on a roll today wit these dumb ass threads

Coming in 2 lbs over an opponent that should be nowhere near the weight is a bigger advantage than PEDs. Name me a fighter that has been successful on Peds and I'll show you a fighter that got his ass kicked because of weight.

[El Jesus]

what a dumb question. thats like asking "whats worse, stealing signs or juicing to hit homeruns?"

i mean, goddamn this is a ****** question, and i really thought this board couldnt get any dumber

[Eaner0919]

You know Oscar is a bigger man then Floyd right? Floyd is a natural 147 lbder fighting a natural 135lbder. Marquez was @ a disadvantage from the get go. Floyd is not even a big 147 fighter. He woulda made 144 without as much of the ill effects Marquez had going up to 144(142). it showed in the fight. Marquez was sluggish.

answer the question man

do you acknowledge, realize, remember the condition Oscar was in on Dec 2008?


ahahaha are you kidding? Floyd is a natural what?

fights at 130- 26

fights at 135- 5

fights at 140- 3

fights at 147- 5

fights at 150- 1

[gqjohnb]

Coming in 2 lbs over an opponent that should be nowhere near the weight is a bigger advantage than PEDs. Name me a fighter that has been successful on Peds and I'll show you a fighter that got his ass kicked because of weight.

This is way to linear of a thought process... first of all I don't know every fighter who has used PED's in part because of outdated forms of testing...ahemmmm... but I am positive that PED's that make it possible to train harder and push your body to greater limits without the adverse effects of overtraining and/or build more lean muscle would be much more advantageous and unfair than the advantage of 2lbs of extra weight. Would you like to argue against that?

[goldenglove2]

I would drink a coke at the weigh in knowing I just ****ed over my already severely outmatched opponent and force my fans scramble to come up with a online PR damage control campaign.

You kids need to grow the **** up and stop pretending like Floyd isn't a scheming motha****er. He knew what he was doing.

On that same note, Marquez DID go on with the fight, took the L, so whatever. But the fact still remains, Floyd isn't the knight in shinning armor you're trying to portray him as.

well said.....well said...

[Eaner0919]

Coming in 2 lbs over an opponent that should be nowhere near the weight is a bigger advantage than PEDs. Name me a fighter that has been successful on Peds and I'll show you a fighter that got his ass kicked because of weight.

answer this then

name one fighter who has been suspended because he weighed two lbs over the limit contracted

just one

[Alibata]

This is way to linear of a thought process... first of all I don't know every fighter who has used PED's in part because of outdated forms of testing...ahemmmm... but I am positive that PED's that make it possible to train harder and push your body to greater limits without the adverse effects of overtraining and/or build more lean muscle would be much more advantageous and unfair than the advantage of 2lbs of extra weight. Would you like to argue against that?

I'll give you one example. PEDS - Vargas vs. DLH / Weight - Corrales vs. Castillio 2

[-Reflexes-]

answer this then

name one fighter who has been suspended because he weighed two lbs over the limit contracted

just one

Ey Earner what weight class did Pac come in over weight at?

Was it 112?

[FLY TY]

I asked you a question first. If the fighter agrees to it, that makes it ok?

come on man, are we seriously gonna do this?

you said floyd "deceitfully" gained an advantage.....


1) what if, floyd tried hard to make 144, and saw he couldn't do it, w/o risking injury to himself?

AND

2) the CONTRACT that the fighters AGREED TO, allowed floyd, if unable to make 144, come in at 145-147, and pay a penalty for every pound?




this thread, started by a floyd hater probably, is misleading....

if you're on steroids, YOU'RE INTENTIONALLY CHEATING TO GAIN A COMPETITIVE EDGE.

what floyd did, was not INTENTIONAL, and the contract allowed him a way out.



floyd hadn't fought below 147 in how many years? he was also fighting on a 2-year layoff, to make things worse. marquez was a smaller man, so both sides agreed to a catchweight of 144. there was a clause in the actual CONTRACT, that stated if floyd was unable to make the 144 (FOR THE REASONS I STATED ABOVE) the fight could continue, but he'd have to pay for every pound he was over 144.


how is that even close to being comparable with somebody purposely taking steroids?