This Video will forever **** on *******s opinion about the roid allegations!

[HaglerSteelChin]

I haven't read the entire thread but i saw the video and it says what i have said since my first post in NSB. But here is where i say FLoyd is still ducking. I am cycling off a steroid that i got for a vague asthmatic symptom. But this medicine like any steroid must be cycled off carefully or you risk side effects as adrenal insufficiency, joint pain, muscle pain, and low blood pressure. Pac was willing to take 3 blood tests One during the conference, one 24 days before the fight, and one immediatley after. THis means he would need to cycle off possibly two or three times before the fight. That alone can both decrease the effectiveness of the drug and also risk side effects. If you are assuming he cheated before than he only cycle off once before.

In addition, remember he agreed to non stop random urine tests. Masking agents are not 100% proof against testing positive. Chavez Jr tested positive for a masking diuretic agent. This means that if pac is cheating it would be even more difficult and risky in getting caught or not.

Finally, mayweather said its an easy fight and his dad said he could beat pac even if he is juicing. Is pac juicing or not is one issue but is Floyd a ducker if you add that with his history than his legacy is questioned.

[Sin City]

He didn't take random blood tests.

It was all random urine tests.

there was blood tests involved as well..

[ThePunchingBag]

there was blood tests involved as well..

Blood tests for Steroids is a recent development.

There's no way Holyfield did random Blood tests in the late 90's

WAAAY too expensive.

It was mostly if not all random urine tests.

[nj_evoixgsr]

He's not wrong on any parts, but Manny's fans will figure out someway to discredit it.

wow. UTTER dip ****s. you have your opinion or allegations or false accusations that you believe are 100% true.

you have no proof. you have no real reasoning. you have bull**** messages that don't mean absolute jack ****?


reread the article explaining the issue with the morales blood test. even has a interview with him post fight (but in filipino).

david diaz? holy ****, how can you ****s make the excuse david diaz is not even top 10 light weight PAPER CHAMP and then say that bull**** on that video? that definitely did not help the case.

PLEASE WATCH PACS LAST 4 FIGHTS.

DAVID DIAZ DID ****.
-HE WAS JUST TOO FAST

ODLH DID ****.
-HIS PUNCHES DIDN'T HURT.

HATTON DID ****.
- HE WAS JUST A STRAIGHT FORWARD TARGET

COTTO TRUE WELTERWEIGHT BUT WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME PAC FELL TO THE CANVAS? HE GETS HIT BY A TRUE WELTERWEIGHT AND WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN KNOCKED DOWN AUTOMATICALLY? FIGHT WAS ONLY HALF DECENT UNTIL WHAT? 3RD ****ING ROUND?

YOU **** HOLES NEED TO GET REAL. TRUTH BE TOLD. FLOYD WAS SCARED ****LESS TO LOSE HIS 0. HE NEEDED A SCAPE GOAT.

IF YOUR A MAN OF HONOR AND YOU FEEL YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING AND SOME PIECE OF ****, LOUD MOUTH **** FACE AND HIS PIECE OF DRUG ****ED FATHER ACCUSING AND SLANDERING YOUR NAME. YOUR GOING TO GIVE IN?

YOU *****S NEED TO DIE.

NOW REBUTTLE THAT LOGIC FOR YOUR ****** ASSES!

[cixthree]

A biased article that contains facts perhaps? Nice one P4P305. I bet you didn't even read or fully understood what's been presented.

I didn't see where it mentioned EPO tho. HGH yes but no EPO. We must understand one thing here "we don't have a clue what types of PEDs are out there!"
We are stuck on ****** about roids, hgh and God knows what else. All these keyboard ped experts know jack.

Point is, Manny is on something but it seems like you don't want to find out. You don't care as long as he didn't get caught.
Manny is ducking random blood testing, the only test that can clear him is the only test that may hurt him.

Blood testing didn't make him weak for the Morales fight, he was cutting too much weight, watch some other interviews he did at that time. He said a lot of things affected him, now people are hanging there hats on the blood excuse (please)

[nj_evoixgsr]

I didn't see where it mentioned EPO tho. HGH yes but no EPO. We must understand one thing here "we don't have a clue what types of PEDs are out there!"
We are stuck on ****** about roids, hgh and God knows what else. All these keyboard ped experts know jack.

Point is, Manny is on something but it seems like you don't want to find out. You don't care as long as he didn't get caught.
Manny is ducking random blood testing, the only test that can clear him is the only test that may hurt him.

Blood testing didn't make him weak for the Morales fight, he was cutting too much weight, watch some other interviews he did at that time. He said a lot of things affected him, now people are hanging there hats on the blood excuse (please)

and your post point is, because nothing has been found as true. his success means he has to have used steroids to get there? there is a better reason than hard work. you have more psychic knowledge than logical knowledge?

there are drugs out there that noone knows about that has been created by pacquiao to make him the way he is.

there is no such thing as a individuality and different side effects caused by removing blood from a person.

^^your logic is absolutely right. good job. dip ****!

[VoodooChild]

it should be noted that I am including CLOTTEY in his 4 fights.

Diaz: Nope, Diaz was champ at 135

So you're including a fight that hasn't been signed or completely negotiated yet??

So,yes,it made Oscar more vulnerable,whether he chose it or not is irrelevant,Manny's team were probably confused as to why he would shrink down at his age,yet were rubbing their hands together and drooling over this advantage-the fact is, it severely impacted him-He hadn't been at that weight for around 11 years and it was never going to be a weight he preferred.He weighed LESS than Manny on fight night and had to attempt to rehydrate himself through i.v.'s-Freddie Roach commented to Pacquiao about the "track marks" on Oscar's arms...

So you propose that Manny should have gone up to 154 to fight Oscar? 3 weight classes up when he has spent most of his career at 130 or lower. I think it was more than fair for Manny to say:

Look, I'll go up 2 weight classes if you go down one.

Hatton: Nope, Hatton's best weight class
weight was always going to be an issue with Hatton as he ballooned up massively between his fights and looked skeletal and gaunt more-so than most fighters than I have seen.To this day,Hatton says that making weight was always a problem.To those who critisize Floyd for fighting him at 147,he won on styles-if anything Hatton didn't look as ghastly in this fight as the Manny fight.

If Hatton isn't professional enough to keep his weight at a respectable range between fights than it's his problem. The fact of the matter is that Ricky has spent his entire career at 140, he was the lineal champ at 140 and he has stated that it is his best weight.

Cotto was 2 pounds under his usual.You have to go back a previous 3 years to see him moving up and complaining about how he struggled with that weight.A big payday isn't going to give you a physical advantage in the ring and Cotto was VERY resistant to defending his title at a weight he was uncomfortable with-the fight was close to being called off because of Manny being a pain with negotiations.

Cotto was 146 for the Clotty fight, and he stated that the weight was not a problem at all and that's what he usually cuts down to.

Now Clottey is next-they are already sliding from the 147 to 144-he barely makes 147! There is too much of a pattern here.I can mention more patterns and criteria as well with all 5 of these fighters-only people who pay attention can notice there is a major similarity between all of these people...

Until There is an agreement made we can't comment, it's like Floyd when he requested that the fight be at 154, he was using it as a bargaining chip.


Now do you have any comment on my other post about Billy Conn being knocked out at lighter weights, than taking Joe Lewis to 13 rounds?

[one_two_puncher]

The whole thing you said was practically talking down on Mayweather. All is well, nothing else for me to say.

on what part was I taking down Mayweather?.
All im saying is Pacquiao don't deserve the **** He's getting from everyone.
and about how biased the video was.
but nothing against Mayweather in my post.

I even put Mayweather's point in the whole drug testing crap.

[AllEyesOpen]

**** Manny. **** Floyd.This sport would benefit from olympic style blood test, sooner or later someone is going to have to step up and do it, Mayweather tried.

[Easy-E]

Good video. Certianly interesting and again, I think Manny's reluctance to engage in the testing is su****ious.