This Video will forever **** on *******s opinion about the roid allegations!

[MindBat]

If there were concrete proof, why would we need testing?

My thoughts exactly.

Im really not trying to side on Pac or May. But this video obviously is biased on Mayweather.

He didn't even research that Manny didn't know He was going to give blood before the Morales fight. two days before the fight He was FORCED to. So he didn't know it was coming.

And Manny getting better after Marquez doesn't prove anything. He just got better. damn, all the haters, I don't really want to side with Pacquiao alot. But not agreeing to blood tests and getting better after each fight don't prove nothing.

The video lacked a little more research. And was very biased.

yes, It had facts. But nothing to prove anything about Pacquiao using PED.
It's only point was Pacquiao knowing about the dates.

because it's all mental for Manny. see here's the problem.

Floyd won't be 100% mentally if the drug testing don't happen for the biggest fight of his career.

And Pacquiao won't be 100% mentally if they take his blood all the time.

Just understand that both fighters want to be 100% at the biggest fight of their careers.

Either of them are going to let the other get the upper hand by agreeing to the demands.

and yeah, the video fails bro. If you are going to make a video about two fighters. Try to be more objective,

You must have glossed over the fact that in 2005 the NSAC faxed a request for a routine physical to Roach which Roach claims he never received. He was later caught lying about the hospital losing Manny's medical records.

That was before the Morales fight.

The mental effects Manny gets from blood drawings was never raised at the start of negotiations and is dis-proven by the evidence of Manny bleeding in fights and getting tattoos on his body.

But if you recall, it was Arum who claimed Manny was squeamish of needles.

Remember that?

[Sin City]

My thoughts exactly.



You must have glossed over he fact that in 2005 the NSAC faxed a request for a routine physical to Roach which Roach claims he never received. He was later caught lying about the hospital losing Manny's medical records.

That was before the Morales fight.

The mental effects Manny gets from blood drawings was never raised at the start of negotiations and is dis-proven by the evidence of Manny bleeding in fights and getting tattoos on his body.

But if you recall, it was Arum who claimed Manny was squeamish of needles.

Remember that?

I have tattoos and have a fear of giving blood.. totally different experiences.
I also used to box and once in a while my nose or lip would bleed.. doesn't change the fact that I have a fear of getting blood drawn by syringe.

[Sin City]

BTW ABOS.. I replied to your post in page 3. If you didn't happen to catch it.

[Stoned Roses]

it seems like his cherry picking some comments on his videos

[littlemac]

right but u based it on the testing that doesnt used in boxing if sometime ago they did it on some boxers it doesnt mean it should be done on all boxers.. pac has the right to turn down the test he is not oblige to do it cuz there is the commission, but he complied and agreed but still floyd asked for additional things aside from the random testing. the video must be used on breaking down the NSAC commission and replace it with this Olympic style testing.. until its approved until then you are right.. but still its just an opinion and even its based on facts its still useless cuz NSAC is still the commission on all of these testing..

Dude come on. Are you using the "its not standard boxing rules" excuse?!! Didn't Floyd demand the olympic style testing from the get go that even Roach backed up with his famous anytime anywhere statement. Its was clear that Pac's camp was down with it until Floyd had accepted everything Manny demanded. So now Floyd's demand is something new or is considered an adittional demand? Having Cut of dates is not Olympic style testing so how can you say Manny had agreed on it. If Manny was not going to agree on Olympic testing that Floyd demanded from the very begining then why ask Floyd for any demands if he was going to refuse testing? Was Manny hoping he would make Floyd duck him before having to answer to testing? I found it weird that manny would bring up the 10mill penalty right in the middle of the Olympic style fiasco if Manny wasn't going to agree on testing. Was Manny again trying use his last straw to back Floyd off? I just don't understand why testing is a issue now and why Manny is refusing 30mill, oppurtinity to get Floyd in the ring, and clear any su****ion. The fact his feeling overly offended makes me even more su****ious. I mean wasn't manny camp's over playing how it was no big deal. Either they were sooooo un bother by it, or they were over offended. They went from to extremes. Its just weird dude thats all am saying. Lets at least agree that Pac's handlers haven't been all the great in these negotiations.

[MindBat]

I have tattoos and have a fear of giving blood.. totally different experiences.
I also used to box and once in a while my nose or lip would bleed.. doesn't change the fact that I have a fear of getting blood drawn by syringe.

If Manny has been shown submitting to blood tests in the past, why didn't Arum bring that up before the start of negotiations rather than letting it get out of control to the point it is now?

The random blood testing for Pac-May was already in the contract and everyone knew about it, but the excuses from that point on were rolling out with rapid fire.

[carts]

Dude come on. Are you using the "its not standard boxing rules" excuse?!! Didn't Floyd demand the olympic style testing from the get go that even Roach backed up with his famous anytime anywhere statement. Its was clear that Pac's camp was down with it until Floyd had accepted everything Manny demanded. So now Floyd's demand is something new or is considered an adittional demand? Having Cut of dates is not Olympic style testing so how can you say Manny had agreed on it. If Manny was not going to agree on Olympic testing that Floyd demanded from the very begining then why ask Floyd for any demands if he was going to refuse testing? Was Manny hoping he would make Floyd duck him before having to answer to testing? I found it weird that manny would bring up the 10mill penalty right in the middle of the Olympic style fiasco if Manny wasn't going to agree on testing. Was Manny again trying use his last straw to back Floyd off? I just don't understand why testing is a issue now and why Manny is refusing 30mill, oppurtinity to get Floyd in the ring, and clear any su****ion. The fact his feeling overly offended makes me even more su****ious. I mean wasn't manny camp's over playing how it was no big deal. Either they were sooooo un bother by it, or they were over offended. They went from to extremes. Its just weird dude thats all am saying. Lets at least agree that Pac's handlers haven't been all the great in these negotiations.

yeah its pac teams fault to accept it in the first place even though they have the option on not totally agreeing on it (additional Drug Testing)

[Sin City]

If Manny has been shown submitting to blood tests in the past, why didn't Arum bring that up before the start of negotiations rather than letting it get out of control to the point it is now?

The random blood testing for Pac-May was already in the contract and everyone knew about it, but the excuses from that point on were rolling out with rapid fire.

random blood tests were NOT in the original contract. That's something they did not agree to. If they would've then we wouldn't be having this argument right now and Pacquiao would've been forced to take them whether he liked it or not.

[IMDAZED]

My thoughts exactly.



You must have glossed over the fact that in 2005 the NSAC faxed a request for a routine physical to Roach which Roach claims he never received. He was later caught lying about the hospital losing Manny's medical records.

That was before the Morales fight.

The mental effects Manny gets from blood drawings was never raised at the start of negotiations and is dis-proven by the evidence of Manny bleeding in fights and getting tattoos on his body.

But if you recall, it was Arum who claimed Manny was squeamish of needles.

Remember that?

That's interesting.

[Xyei]

BTW ABOS.. I replied to your post in page 3. If you didn't happen to catch it.

The problem lies with how you have your post per page setting set at? Page three? It could mean post 30 or post 120. I can't seem to find your post that you are referring to?