Victor Conte talking steroids, Pacquiao and Boxing

[Xcusemymood]

I take it you don't read very well.

lololololol

[Carpe Diem]

i have to admit this discussion was quite fascinating to read. I probably read 14 pages worth. That said at the end of the day the testing boxing does is "perceived" by a large majority to be inadequate pertaining to many drugs that are prevalent in other sports. This makes the sport questionable to many and when Team Pac says no to a fight of this magnitude (payday 40 million and p4p bragging rights) all because of a 14 day blood draw cutoff something is su****ious . You even have Roach quoted as saying 5 days out is acceptable but a full two weeks is rejected. Something is amiss or Arum and Pacs advisors need fired for simply making him look guilty of something that can now not be resolved. Boxing needs to fall in-line and seriously random test mainly because this sport has been proven lethal without the help of PED's, er maybe without....

Well said. They gave hints that they had no intentions of fighting Floyd this soon. Why would they even contemplated about fighting a tune up fight before fighting Floyd? Everyone opinions are invald, but facts are valid. Team Mayweather did their best, they were not contemplating about any other fights even when there were rumours flaming around, but they were trying everything they could to made the fight happen.

[rao007]

You're right - it doesn't matter. Then why did you make a point to state that you were FOR random blood & urine testing? Were you lying? Shouldn't it NOT matter since the NSAC doesn't do that? But it's your opinion, right? Ok then. So I'm asking you, in your opinion, should any fighter be excused from these kind of tests just because they say it affects them mentally?

1.)I'm for random urine, blood testing is because that seems to be the direction testing is going for athletes to show they're clean.

2.)Right now? Pacquiao has the right to explain why he doesn't need to take the tests. Pacquiao has passed all the tested asked of him by NSAC. What you're saying is because another body of organization not even authorized by the state of Nevada comes in to ask Pacquiao to test that he should follow them without question----that's the NSAC to decide.

[IMDAZED]

1.)I'm for random urine, blood testing is because that seems to be the direction testing is going for athletes to show they're clean.

2.)Right now? Pacquiao has the right to explain why he doesn't need to take the tests. Pacquiao has passed all the tested asked of him by NSAC. What you're saying is because another body of organization not even authorized by the state of Nevada comes in to ask Pacquiao to test that he should follow them without question----that's the NSAC to decide.

So I'm asking you, in your opinion, should any fighter be excused from these kind of tests just because they say it affects them mentally?

I've asked the same question at least 5-6 times now. Won't ask again.

[Carpe Diem]

So I'm asking you, in your opinion, should any fighter be excused from these kind of tests just because they say it affects them mentally?

I've asked the same question at least 5-6 times now. Won't ask again.

you're wasting your time, man. These guys don't care about facts, their opinions are all that matters.

[IMDAZED]

i have to admit this discussion was quite fascinating to read. I probably read 14 pages worth. That said at the end of the day the testing boxing does is "perceived" by a large majority to be inadequate pertaining to many drugs that are prevalent in other sports. This makes the sport questionable to many and when Team Pac says no to a fight of this magnitude (payday 40 million and p4p bragging rights) all because of a 14 day blood draw cutoff something is su****ious . You even have Roach quoted as saying 5 days out is acceptable but a full two weeks is rejected. Something is amiss or Arum and Pacs advisors need fired for simply making him look guilty of something that can now not be resolved. Boxing needs to fall in-line and seriously random test mainly because this sport has been proven lethal without the help of PED's, er maybe without....

Great post, dude. Funny thing is, the media is largely silent. How can anyone expect change when the long-time torchbearer is doing its best to ignore the 800lb elephant in the living room?

[mazdaru]

http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-NY-Bo...h-EPO-cheaters

This is moot issue.

Pac has agreed to unlimited Urine tests.

there many things he could be taken that show on blood test not urine like HGHs

[rao007]

Yes but since its effects last for weeks, the blood test is the best test. Instead of looking for one particular synthetic agent (which would probably not show), it tracks changes in the RBC.

It's funny were not even talking about steroids anymore but EPO meant for stamina use.

While i see merit in logging RBC levels--from the grand scheme of things it's better suited after the fight if Pacquiao's RBC levels are off the charts. Blood tests, as the USADA mentioned, is good for looking at EPO during a certain time frame.

[rao007]

So I'm asking you, in your opinion, should any fighter be excused from these kind of tests just because they say it affects them mentally?

I've asked the same question at least 5-6 times now. Won't ask again.

You keep asking I keep saying no. What's your major malfunction?

[Bee Keepz]

Dr. Don H. Catlin, the head of the Los Angeles-based non-profit Anti-Doping Research, Inc., said a 24-day cutoff for blood testing is not sufficient to prevent abuse. One of the concerns with such a long blood-testing cutoff prior to the date of competition would be the potential use of Erythropoietin, or EPO.

But Catlin said that wouldn’t be the only concern if there were a 24-day cutoff imposed.

“If you have a 24-day window that’s free, with no testing, you can take whatever you want and you’re not going to get caught, end of story,” Catlin said. “[Urine testing] does matter, yes, but they’re not going to catch everything by urine testing alone. What you would do is to take Mircera [a type of EPO], which is available and which is not easy to detect in urine and away you go. You need a blood test.”


http://sports.yahoo.com/box/ne...&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

From the same person in regards to EPO use.

Question:
2) I've heard a lot about using both a blood and urine test to detect EPO use. Doesn't an athlete have to test positive for EPO on both the blood and urine test to be considered a doper?

No.

Blood testing has received a lot of attention because it is a new concept in the drug testing world. There is a blood test for EPO use, but it is only an indirect test that can be used as a screening measure to save money by determining whether the urine EPO test needs to be conducted. All the blood test does is tell the testers that the athlete has an unusual blood profile that warrants further investigation. The abnormal profile could be caused by the use of EPO, some other blood boosting drug, or just be explained by the athlete being a genetic freak or living at altitude. The testers then perform the urine EPO test to determine whether artificial EPO is the cause of the abnormality.

The blood test does not have to be done in order for the athlete to test positive for EPO.

http://www.letsrun.com/2003/epoqa.php

From WADA:

When was a test to detect EPO implemented?

A test for EPO was introduced at the 2000 Summer Olympic Games in Sydney (Australia). The test, validated by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), was based on the blood and urine matrix. A blood screening was performed first, and a urine test was then used to confirm possible use of EPO.

In June 2003, WADA’s Executive Committee accepted the results of an independent report stating that urine tests alone can be used to detect the presence of recombinant EPO. This report, requested by WADA’s stakeholders and commissioned by the Agency to evaluate the validity of urinary and blood tests for detecting the presence of recombinant EPO, concluded that urinary testing is the only scientifically validated method for direct detection of recombinant EPO. This report also recommended that urine testing be used in conjunction with blood screening for a variety of reasons, including the cost savings of performing blood screening prior to testing urine. Some international sports federations still use both urine and blood matrix for the detection of EPO. Recently, the urine test was adapted to blood to perform detection of some new erythropoiesis stimulating agents.

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources...EPO-Detection/